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Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War (original: 2010; edição: 2011)

de Karl Marlantes (Autor)

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In the tradition of Norman Mailer's "The Naked and the Dead" and James Jones's "The Thin Red Line," Marlantes tells the powerful and compelling story of a young Marine lieutenant, Waino Mellas, and his comrades in Bravo Company, who are dropped into the mountain jungle of Vietnam as boys and forced to fight their way into manhood.… (mais)
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Título:Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War
Autores:Karl Marlantes (Autor)
Informação:Grove Press (2011), Edition: Reprint, 640 pages
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Matterhorn de Karl Marlantes (2010)

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    The Things They Carried de Tim O'Brien (chrisharpe)
    chrisharpe: Both excellent fictional accounts based on Vietnam wartime experience.
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    Dispatches de Michael Herr (erickandow)
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    Chickenhawk de Robert Mason (chrisharpe)
    chrisharpe: This memoir is a fitting complement to Matterhorn's grunt's perspective, giving an account from the point of view of a Huey pilot with the 1st Cav. One is nominally fiction and the other "fact", though it's hard, if not impossible, to tell which is which.… (mais)
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    In Pharaoh's Army: Memories of the Lost War de Tobias Wolff (clif_hiker)
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    What It Is Like to Go to War de Karl Marlantes (TooBusyReading)
    TooBusyReading: Nonfiction by the author of Matterhorn, this one is a great look at war through the eyes of someone who has been there - what we've done right, what we've done wrong, what we have to change.
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    The Sorrow of War: A Novel of North Vietnam de Bao Ninh (rebeccanyc)
    rebeccanyc: Whether American or Vietnamese, the experience of the Vietnam/American war was shared, and these two books explore the experience of fighting and remembering from differing perspectives.
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    Life and Fate de Vasily Grossman (chrisharpe)
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    Fields of Fire de James Webb (ecureuil)
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    A Rumor of War de Philip Caputo (hvg)
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    The 13th Valley de John M. Del Vecchio (paulkid)
    paulkid: Similar books that explore the psyches of grunts and their lieutenants, focusing on a small number of company-sized military operations. Both are rich in character development, and capture how soldiers deal with the constant threat of unexpected death and pain. For example, compare Del Vechhio's mantra "Don't mean nuthin'" to Marlantes' "There it is". Both great books.… (mais)
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    The Forever War de Joe Haldeman (mysterymax)
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    Parzival de Wolfram von Eschenbach (alanteder)
    alanteder: "Matterhorn" author Karl Marlantes has said that part of the inspiration for his Vietnam War novel also comes from the Parsifal (aka Parzival aka Percival) Arthurian/Grail legends. See his speaking engagement at the Pritzker Military Library for instance at http://www.pritzkermilitarylibrary.org/events/2010/09-23-karl-marlantes.jsp… (mais)
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I picked this partially fictionalized Vietnam War memoir up off of the recommendation of James Fallows, one of my favorite journalists. It was absolutely riveting, one of the best books I've read this year and one of the best war novels I've ever read, up there with All Quiet On the Western Front and other books of that caliber. It's the story of Lieutenant Mellas, a young Ivy League graduate fresh on the ground and his participation in patrol and combat operations in the northern border areas that strike me as unbelievably nightmarish, but were apparently par for the course. I feel like war stories (whether told through books, movies, or video games) are almost paradoxically becoming more common as war becomes less real to the majority of the country. I might be wrong, but I couldn't help feeling a little lost after I finished this book - it certainly feels real (and considering it opens with a Marine having a leech crawl up his urethra, maybe a little too real), and many other reviewers who actually have military experience have nothing but praise for it, but all the book's heartbreaking and unflinching looks at the boring, terrifying, and unforgettable nature of war made me feel like a spectator, an outsider having the world told to me instead of experiencing it myself. Obviously it's as impossible to convey the true nature of combat as it is to tell what it's like to land on the moon, or to be a king, but something about the way the people in the book lived and died lifted it far beyond what I had previously thought was the baseline level of a simple war story. Maybe it was due to Marlantes' direct experience in the war; the book has taken him 30 years to write and reportedly had to be cut down from over 1600 pages to a shade over 600, of which none feel wasted. Fallows himself has a semi-personal connection to the story of the war - he once wrote a recollection of his own personal experiences as a young Ivy League graduate dodging the Vietnam draft called What Did You Do In the Class War, Daddy? It's a great piece, and if you read it right beside Matterhorn, the comparison between one man's feelings of never serving with another man's feelings of having served is incredibly moving. Don't miss this book. ( )
  aaronarnold | May 11, 2021 |
Matterhorn wasn’t quite up to my expectations. It seems a fairly accurate portrayal of Marine infantrymen in Vietnam, but it was long–a bit too long. And it became a bit repetitive. Lt. Mellas was an okay hero. He certainly “grew” during the story, but his early yearning to seek out battlefield glory put me off. At the end, having a fake fragging before the final real one diluted the ending of the story for me. ( )
  mtbass | May 6, 2021 |
Readers under the age of fifty-five can move on. Vietnam holds an intractable power over those of us, mostly males, who were of draftable age from around ‘65 to ‘71 or so. But it affected many of our parents, too, and may have had effects on policy decisions many years later by people who were able to avoid the quagmire.

An excellent, if terribly depressing, novel about Vietnam. Matterhorn is the code name of a hill a company of Marines is asked to defend and establish a base. The hills in the area are named for Swiss mountains. Marlantes’s protagonist, Mellas, is an ambitious fresh lieutenant. We’re never quite clear of how Mellas got there, and his motives are confused. He’s angling for the position of company commander but he’s also increasingly dismayed by the incompetence of his superiors (something that really pissed off some Amazon reviewers who mostly were some of those.)



Some rather horrible scenes, one where the group has just set up an ambush in the middle of the night when the man out front is mauled and killed by a tiger. In another scene, a marine gets a leech up his urethra, which would be funny except it’s horribly painful and life-threatening.

Apparently, the book was originally 1,600 pages long, finally cut to about 600 and the book takes the reader along to a deployment in Vietnam forced to accompany the troops as they , in Sisyphean fashion, slog along taking the hill, losing it, retaking it, rebuilding previous positions, in what inevitably becomes a futile effort to get anywhere.

“No, the jungle wasn’t evil. It was indifferent. So, too, was the world. Evil, then, must be the negation of something man had added to the world. Ultimately, it was caring about something that made the world liable to evil. Caring. And then the caring gets torn asunder. Everybody dies, but not everybody cares. It occurred to Mellas that he could create the possibility of good or evil through caring. He could nullify the indifferent world. But in so doing he opened himself up to the pain of watching it get blown away.”

Reviews on Amazon all compliment the author for the book’s extreme realism.

There were the inevitable negative reviews complaining the book is anti-Vietnam (what was he supposed to do, make a John Wayne movie?), the officers were portrayed as buffoons (only in part), horribly written (utter nonsense), used the “f” word too much (I mean really, these are Marines in horrible conditions,) wrong portrayal of the fighter jocks (like Marlantes is only allowed have a positive view despite his experiences,) the bomb-bay door on an F-4 was wrongly described, etc., etc. There is an assumption on the part of several that if Marlantes experience in Vietnam didn’t mirror theirs exactly, it must be rubbish. Having read many Vietnam memoirs, each has a distinct perspective that reflects their own experience. Marlantes, btw, earned a Navy Cross, no slouchy thing. His hero is also not the most selfless, but you get the distinct feeling that the upper echelons were more interested in glory for themselves at the expense of their troops who were maneuvered as bait, so they could kill more VC. Casualties counts were manipulated to look smaller than they really were. A company's losses could be made to look less devastating by describing the action as a battalion level operation.

Marlantes unflinchingly describes the racial tensions that were becoming increasingly pronounced by 1969 when he was there. "You cannot imagine how racist the army was in the 60s," he says. "Out in the field, we were held together by fear, but once the troops were back at base the old divisions, black and white, would come back."

Mellas, who has much in common with Marlantes: an Ivy League graduate from rural Oregon who adheres to the values of his childhood rather than the smart, east coast radicalism of his Princeton roommates. Mellas volunteers for the Marine Corps and, wet behind the ears, takes command of a platoon in the north-west corner of South Vietnam during the rainy season of 1969, just as Marlantes did. "All second lieutenants in history are the same," he says. "I was just a young white kid from Oregon commanding these working-class kids from the ghetto."

Triage aboard the hospital ship and on the ground was the inverse of what we would expect. Those most severely wounded were put aside to later. The idea was to first fix up those who could return to the field and then attend to those who would never be able to. This created a dissonance in the hospital staff who realized their job was to simply fix a killing machine so it could go on killing rather than necessarily save lives, although they certainly did lots of that.



He was demobilized in 1970 after being wounded during battle. When he returned he was challenged by some protesters, who accused him of being a killer. Six weeks before he had indeed been killing as many as he could. "The Vietnam war was a defining experience in the US," he says. "It made this incredible divide, even within families. The Democrats were anti-war and the Republicans supported our troops. It shaped a generation, at least, and conditioned our response to things like Iraq and Afghanistan."



Marlantes has some interesting things to say about the reticence of veterans to talk of their experience at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIxekAmiyyA ( )
  ecw0647 | Sep 22, 2020 |
This is a tough book to digest. While readable it is a difficult read because of the subject matter. Marlantes sucks the reader into the depths of the Vietnam jungle and the reader experiences the horrors and the suffering that our troops experienced. The military lingo is a bit of an obstacle but the author very thoughtfully includes a glossary which I recommend skimming through before delving into the book.. ( )
  Cricket856 | Sep 22, 2020 |
Very good book. ( )
  monogodo | Sep 15, 2020 |
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In zijn sublieme roman Matterhorn doorbreekt Vietnam-veteraan Karl Marlantes het stilzwijgen dat de maatschappij verwacht van hen die het smerigste werk moeten opknappen: de gevechtssoldaten.
Als verhalenverteller brengt Marlantes effectief het gevoel over wat oorlog is. De gekte, de pijn, maar ook de vriendschap en de liefde. Het maakte dit oorlogsboek populair bij vrouwen in Amerika.
adicionado por sneuper | editarde Volkskrant, Arie Elshout (Nov 14, 2011)
 
Chapter after chapter, battle after battle, Marlantes pushes you through what may be one of the most profound and devastating novels ever to come out of Vietnam — or any war. It’s not a book so much as a deployment, and you will not return unaltered.
 
"It reads like adventure and yet it makes even the toughest war stories seem a little pale by comparison."
adicionado por bookfitz | editarThe Washington Post, David Masiel (Mar 30, 2010)
 

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In the tradition of Norman Mailer's "The Naked and the Dead" and James Jones's "The Thin Red Line," Marlantes tells the powerful and compelling story of a young Marine lieutenant, Waino Mellas, and his comrades in Bravo Company, who are dropped into the mountain jungle of Vietnam as boys and forced to fight their way into manhood.

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