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The Magicians (2009)

de Lev Grossman

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Haboring secret preoccupations with a magical land he read about in a childhood fantasy series, Quentin Coldwater is unexpectedly admitted into an exclusive college of magic and rigorously educated in modern sorcery.
Adicionado recentemente porkcvij, JBendorf, Saladt1ao, simply_jennifer, zahrt.lefko
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    Euryale: No magic, but I thought the tone and setting were otherwise very similar.
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    As Crônicas de Nárnia de C. S. Lewis (Jannes)
    Jannes: The Magicians wolud not exist if it wasn't for the Narnia books, and is really a kind of loving deconstruction of Lewis' work. What could be better than giving the books that inspired it a try?
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    Coisas Frágeis de Neil Gaiman (catfantastic)
    catfantastic: Read the short story "The Problem of Susan" included in this collection.
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    Harry Potter e as Relíquias da Morte de J. K. Rowling (sonyagreen)
    sonyagreen: It's like HP goes to college, complete with drinking and sex.
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    Usuário anônimo: Magic is real in a world we recognize--Napoleonic England and contemporary New York.
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    The Chronicles of Chrestomanci: Charmed Life / The Lives of Christopher Chant de Diana Wynne Jones (Usuário anônimo)
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    The Library at Mount Char de Scott Hawkins (TFleet)
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    Little, Big de John Crowley (rarm)
    rarm: Fairy tale worlds that reveal a hidden darkness.
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    elleeldritch: An adult version of Harry Potter (and Narnia), albeit with a different (but still interesting) magic scheme.
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    The Once and Future King de T. H. White (wandering_star)
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    Phantastes de George MacDonald (charlie68)
    charlie68: Similar themes.
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 FantasyFans: The Magicians - Lev Grossman25 por ler / 25Jenson_AKA_DL, Abril 2019

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THERE WILL BE SPOILERS BELOW!

Okay I will be honest, more-or-less halfway through this book I just wanted it to end. When I saw the blurb on the back about how it's supposed to be "Harry Potter and Narnia... for adults!", I will admit, it's what drew me in. I'm always up for a good fantasy that works along the lines of fantasies I've enjoyed in the past. The problem is, Grossman draws mainly off the formulas for fantasies that have worked in the past. When it says "Harry Potter and Narnia for adults," that's just about all it is, you just add sex, drugs, and cussing.
The plot entails one Quentin Coldwater, your typical gloomy, my-life-sucks teenager. Quentin has an obsession with a series of books about the fictional Chatwin children, who travel to the magical land of Fillory by going through a grandfather clock, and help defeat evil (sound familiar?). Quentin would like nothing more than to have magic powers and escape from his dreary New York life into Fillory. Not long after, he by chance gains entrance into Brakebills, a school for magic – a lot like Hogwarts, but in upstate New York. From there on, he makes some friends and becomes a real magician, only to find that the world of magic is much more boundless and dangerous than it seems.
Now, despite the generic-fantasy-formula, the book probably still could have worked, but there are other problems too. For one, the main characters are basically insufferable. Quentin, our hero, is for lack of better words, a whinging, immature idiot. There haven't been a lot of characters out there in the literary world that I've wanted to strangle blue, but Quentin has a special spot in that list. There is not really any kind of personal development for the characters. They don't really seem to learn anything at all from their mistakes and problems. When something bad happens, they whine about it then continue along the same track. Another issue I had with the characters was that they have this amazing world all around them, open to them, and they can only complain about how it doesn't make them instantly happy. They expect a magical cure for the unhappiness to appear out of nowhere. You mean you have to choose to be happy?? Overall, Alice was the one character I actually liked and had some compassion for, then of course she gets killed off.
Now, I'm not saying that there was nothing redeemable about this book, because there were aspects that I really did enjoy. There were moments when Grossman's descriptive and creative abilities really shone through. The only problem is, these moments were short-lived and the story goes back to the old track that wasn't so great. I really enjoyed the moments of magic which he described, and the way the characters did magic – I wish there was more time spent on that then time spent listening to whining. I also think the world of Fillory and Brakebills had a lot of potential. Despite those redeeming qualities, I don't think they're enough to convince me to spend the time required to continue on with this series. Overall, it's a somewhat average book. It's worth trying out, I suppose, if you're someone who enjoys fantasy – you never know, you might like it better than I did – but then again, you might just end up bored and anxious to get it over with. ( )
  escapinginpaper | May 18, 2024 |
This book was Harry Potter without the sense of wonder, hope, and strength -- of course, Harry Potter was a child's book and The Magicians is not...

But I honestly wonder if you can call 'The Magicians' more realistic or not. Sure, it covesr the risks of magic, and a bunch of magical teenagers crammed together with hormones and booze and teenage angst better than Harry Potter did, and certainly, more realistically for a certain segment of the population. But after that it loses realism in exchange for rampant cynicism.

It comes to a certain suspension of disbelief. I can believe in the structure of other fantasy 'heroes' better than I can in The Magicians as opposed to seeing Quentin Coldwater cock everything up and ruin pretty much every good chance he had only to re-embrace everything that had shat on his life at the end of the book. While I am probably intrigued enough to pick up The Magician Kings -- which is a good sign for me -- the major thing holding me back is that Quentin is a fuck up who I cannot really believe is going to do anything but fuck up.

It's not a bad book. But it is a difficult book, if you don't want to essentially watch people ruin their lives with too little sense and not enough foresight. Which is fine if you enjoy that, but I see people do that enough in my daily life without having to add it to my reading. I'm honestly hoping he'll learn something from his experiences and the next book he'll grow a little, but... I don't know if I can hold too much hope there. ( )
  crowsandprose | May 15, 2024 |
An odd book that turned out to be completely different from what I expected going into it. The idea is interesting, though I can't say that the writing is particularly compelling or that the plot is very good at all. Still, I've heard they get better, so I'll have to see what happens with the next two. ( )
  mrbearbooks | Apr 22, 2024 |
I really liked this despite the reaaaally long period of unnecessary description without action in the middle. Enough so that I'm grateful that I have something to move onto to read. Not sure why I'm in such a reading drought.

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  jazzbird61 | Feb 29, 2024 |
God. I had issues with this one (male heroes who struggle with hubris and despair and make you want to smack them are the protagonists of about a third of all fantasy novels, from Earthsea to those Young Merlin books I used to read), but it also ate my brain and I couldn't put it down. The manic riffs on Harry Potter and Narnia carry you along at a breakneck pace, but the book doesn't rest too heavily on them; it's also hyperactively original and surprising.

The plot is bizarre, a total rollercoaster. Minds change and change back and change again. And then change back. It's complicated when you think it's going to be simple and straightforward when you've been trained to think that there's no way it could ever be that simple. Questions remain unanswered, depths are hinted at but remain unexplored. But it works, and it pulls together into something surprisingly unified.

It's hard to tell the difference sometimes between writing an obnoxious sexist teenage boy protagonist and actually being sexist, but I think The Magicians probably falls into the former category. Exception: I really don't love that the two gay male characters are a child rapist and a sex fiend whose kinks (we are told, impassively, in one of the author's didactic moments) will prevent him from ever having a stable or loving relationship. ( )
  caedocyon | Feb 23, 2024 |
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”Magikerna” marknadsförs som ”Harry Potter för vuxna”, men i själva verket är det en ovanligt vacker sorgesång över hur det är att lämna barndomen. Det var faktiskt bättre förr, när man kunde uppslukas helt av leken.
adicionado por Jannes | editarDagens nyheter, Lotta Olsson (Feb 4, 2013)
 
This isn't just an exercise in exploring what we love about fantasy and the lies we tell ourselves about it -- it's a shit-kicking, gripping, tightly plotted novel that makes you want to take the afternoon off work to finish it.
adicionado por lampbane | editarBoing Boing, Cory Doctorow (Oct 20, 2009)
 
It’s the original magic — storytelling — that occasionally trips Grossman up. Though the plot turns new tricks by the chapter, the characters have a fixed, “Not Another Teen Movie” quality. There’s the punk, the aesthete, the party girl, the fat slacker, the soon-to-be-hot nerd, the shy, angry, yet inexplicably irresistible narrator. Believable characters form the foundation for flights of fantasy. Before Grossman can make us care about, say, the multiverse, we need to intuit more about Quentin’s interior universe.
 
Somewhat familiar, albeit entertaining... Grossman's writing is intelligent, but don't give this one to the kids—it's a dark tale that suggests our childhood fantasies are no fun after all.
adicionado por Shortride | editarPeople, Sue Corbett (Aug 31, 2009)
 
Grossman has written both an adult coming-of-age tale—rife with vivid scenes of sex, drugs, and heartbreak—and a whimsical yarn about forest creatures. The subjects aren’t mutually exclusive, and yet when stirred together so haphazardly, the effect is jarring. More damaging still is the plot, which takes about 150 pages to gain any steam, surges dramatically in the book’s final third, and then peters out with a couple chapters left to go.
adicionado por Shortride | editarBookforum, Michael Shaer (Aug 14, 2009)
 

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