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Thirteen (2007)

de Richard K. Morgan

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Richard K. Morgan's Thirteen is near-future science fiction, very much in the vein of Bladerunner. A failed government program to produce a more violent, aggressive form of military fighter has resulted in the U.S. rounding up most of the test subjects and isolating them on Mars, a place where no one with any sense would wish to spend their days. But not all of the government subjects have been caught and shipped out to Mars. Enter Carl Marsalis, a hit man who would like nothing more than to stop killing and put his past behind him--and when he's eventually captured in Miami, it seems like the government might take care of his problems for him. Unfortunately, around the same time a transport from Mars arrives back on earth. The entire crew has been killed by a stowaway who turns out to be one of these violent superhumans--and maybe something worse. Now Marsalis is given a choice: use his heightened powers to hunt down the killer, or face a fate worse than death.… (mais)
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I have to admit I truly enjoy Richard K Morgan's SF novels - stories that have action elements, lots of it, but always have background story - often having political connotations and glimpses into very believable future - as a main component. That was the case with Takeshi Kovac's novels and Thin Air (that is set in the same universe as this novel).

In this one accent is on biological design of human beings (unlike more cyber-improvements of Takeshi Kovacs's universe) and scientific and moral qualms about performing these actions.

Background of the story is following - during a rather turbulent era all world powers worked on genetically enhanced soldiers - so called variant thirteen (hence the name of the novel) to carry out covert and high risk military operations. Due to the widespread use of these genetical modifications world community led by UN decides to bring genetic manipulation technology under more strict observation (to prevent further genetic manipulations and abuse). Soon these highly successful combat teams were declared as unwanted on Earth and were given option to move to Mars (colonials always need hardened veterans) or move to reservations that are kept under constant control with threat of overwhelming firepower to prevent variant thirteens from exiting them.

And this is where our main protagonist - Carl Marsalis - comes into play. Variant thirteen himself he is now working as bounty hunter on Earth hunting those variant thirteens that are wandering the new Earth governments without permits. Until very serious crime takes place in Martian freighter that crashes on Earth. This incident will start bringing lots of very dark secrets to surface, bodies will start piling up and Carl's unique insight into violent behavior will make him invaluable to solve the series of murders.

Carl is a man that would not be out of place as mercenary or soldier in Warhammer universe, especially Age of Strife of Unification Wars period. As a matter of fact all variants would fit in just nicely. Sharp minded, bred for resilience, independence and ability to follow their orders through no matter what they are the ultimate weapon that can be used as a scalpel or as a broad-sword depending on the needs.

But they are just that - weapon. And as soon as politicians were faced with consequences of creating them in the first place they were discarded.

Only thing that I was annoyed with is the constant talk how rise of civilization made a more timid society. This reminds me of the theory of the peaceful savage. Rise of civilization did not create more peace in the world - I mean only check last 100 years, WW1, WW2, Balkan wars (pre-WW1 and in 1990s), Middle East wars, numerous conflicts in Africa, Middle East and Central and South America and in later days more visible conflicts in Central Asia (and lets not forget the Great Game period eh) etc etc. War just became more industrialized and huger in scope - no longer are wars waged to protect the city or country but to establish control of the various markets and economy directly or even through proxies. As a matter of fact modern warfare became more deadly and unfortunately less under control of the public - because public decided that all the conflicts in the world are not of interest to them (until they get drafted but then it is usually late).

Also society did not become feminized during the civilization development but in majority became indifferent because it is much easier to act like foreign policy is of no interest to anyone instead of taking active role in political life of the country. And if people are living good off corruption and nepotism and if no caskets come back from remote frontiers why change anything - right? And also if you live in good conditions why should you worry about somebody in remote parts of the world? There is no point in it. Indifference of the majority is the main driving force for lots of events in the world today.

So to say people became timid or domesticated is in my opinion wishful thinking. Violence is part of the nature and control of goods, resources and territory will always be driving force for it among the humans. And as long the society in general is indifferent and not willing to call out things their governments are doing it will just continue on.

And the societies opinion on variant thirteens - nothing strange. Just try going against public opinion today and you will see what I mean. Vilifying others and black/white approach (no more grey areas no discussions) have become so common today that voices of the moderates get drowned in shrieks of the banshees and intolerant.

Characters in the book and their interactions - from field operatives to gray-suite chiefs of various organizations and services- are given in great details. I especially liked how Carl constantly tries to keep his appearance as a thug even though deep inside he is suffering even more than those around him. Loss of one of the main characters was followed through just wonderfully and with deep emotions.

Highly recommended to all fans of the SF in general and in particular hard-core no-nosense action heroes and cyberpunk-noir-detective stories. ( )
  Zare | Jan 23, 2024 |
I could not stop reading.

Generally, I don't like such long descriptions and lengthy dialogs, but somehow in that case it all rhymes very nicely in the more or less easy read. I never felt a need to skip text - that is something.

On the other side is... world and characters. Which is not so simple.

World is too old school, i.e. "a way to sketchy". Constant pour of details and unknown timeline references too obvious way to mask it. This is the world you really better not look into too deep. Any "that so Gibson-like!" thoughts tend to disappear halfway when this world begins to separate from its characters (when in Gibson books it is the other way around).

And characters... they are... well, tools. They never really belong in this world from the beginning, and they even far from it in the end. The idea of "13" is just an extreme to contrast the others, it's defined by their existence. And every character (main, second or mooks) is defined by the same principals.

In summary, this book a pure bloody violent sexy escapist joy. Yay! ( )
  WorkLastDay | Dec 17, 2023 |
I really enjoy Morgan's work. This is very different from the earlier Altered Carbon but still very good. ( )
  hofo | Dec 7, 2022 |
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I’ve read a couple of other books by Richard Morgan, and this seemed to me in character with them and perhaps a little more under control. The viewpoint character is a genetically engineered “Thirteen” in a near-future (early 22nd century) world where people like him are regarded with suspicion by society and mostly exiled to Mars. There is a murder mystery with explosive political ramifications, some nasty violence (this is the bit of Morgan’s expertise that I don’t especially appreciate), some desperate sex and a very well-written death scene. Like all murder mysteries, the point is to get the reader from A to B while admiring the scenery and wondering how the route will twist next, and it certainly succeeds very well in that. ( )
  nwhyte | Oct 23, 2022 |
Sci-Fi always has something to say about the present, and the question here is a familiar one: How much does free will exist, and how much of our lives is determined by genetics, childhood experience, and society's prejudice? There are some excellent conversations between the characters on the topic, and the events of the book highlight the question more than they provide clear answers. Occasionally there was just a really strong sentence that stuck with me. For instance, "Anyone who's proud of their country is either a thug or just hasn't read enough history yet."

The book's protagonist has a relatively simple way of seeing the word that allows him to be a vehicle for the reader. His mentor summed it up, "Only live with what you've done, and try in future to only do what you're happy to live with."

The overarching story is a competent crime thriller with a couple of unique touches and page-turning writing, but the asides and philosophical moments were my favorite part of the book.

Here's a couple quotes to illustrate what I mean:

Yavuz said, "At times, it shames me to be male. I mean, we index how civilised a nation is by the level of female participation it enjoys. We fear those societies where women are still not empowered, and with good cause. Investigating violent crime, we assume, correctly, that the perpetrator will most likely be male. We use male social dominance as a predictor of trouble, and of suffering, because when all is said and done males are the problem."

In response, Sevgi says, "The way it looks from the historical context, the male cycle of civilisation had to come first, because there was no other way outside of male force to create a civilisation in the first place. To have law and art and science, you have to have settled agrarian societies and a non-labouring class that can develop that stuff. But that kind of society would have to be enforced, and pretty brutally in the terms we look at things today."

There's also a lot of subtext about racism couched in an overt examination of prejudice based on genetic modification. One of the most interesting reoccurring events in the book was the children who had at least one parent that was a genetically-modified super-soldier, but who were being set up to be raised outside of the oppressive system that the book's super-soldiers were subject to. The eventual fate of one of the three was very up in the air, subject to a contentious legal battle and kept in cryogenic stasis until their fate was decided. The book's brooding philosophical super-assassin protagonist is set up as a potential guardian for the child, but that plotline is never resolved. The other two were in the care of their relate-able criminal mothers, and almost certain to survive unscathed into adulthood. This is an obvious set-up for a sequel (that has never been written), and I want to read that story a great deal more than the one I got.

Words that jumped out at me from this book:
adipocere - a grayish waxy substance formed by the decomposition of soft tissue in dead bodies subjected to moisture.
antecuchos - Peruvian shish kabob, usually skewered beef and onions
atavistic - relating to or characterized by reversion to something ancient or ancestral.
blag - to persuade someone in a clever or slightly dishonest way
chunter - to mutter or to talk in a low inarticulate way
cimit - usually spelled "simit", a Turkish circular bread typically encrusted with sesame seeds. Widely known as a "Turkish bagel" in the USA.
demodynamic - ambiguously either the flow of a demonstration or the flow of demonic power.
lemeño - a type of criminal slang specific to Lima, Peru
occlude - to block passage through
onbekend - "unknown" in Dutch. A common surname in the former Dutch-ruled Indonesia where there weren't surnames.
raki - an unsweetened, occasionally anise-flavored, alcoholic drink that is popular in Turkey, Greece, Iran, Turkic countries, and in the Balkan countries.
rapprochment - (especially in international relations) an establishment or resumption of harmonious relations.
rectilinear - characterized by a straight line or lines
sahlep - a Turkish flour made from tubers of the orchid genus Orchis, or the drink made from the same.
sicario - hitman or hired killer, specifically one in the emlpoy of South American drug cartels
superannuated - no longer in use or valid or fashionable; too old to be useful; discharged as too old for use or work; especially with a pension
virilicide - the elimination of masculinity.
vivarium - an indoor enclosure for keeping and raising living animals and plants and observing them under natural conditions. ( )
  wishanem | May 27, 2021 |
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Richard K. Morgan's Thirteen is near-future science fiction, very much in the vein of Bladerunner. A failed government program to produce a more violent, aggressive form of military fighter has resulted in the U.S. rounding up most of the test subjects and isolating them on Mars, a place where no one with any sense would wish to spend their days. But not all of the government subjects have been caught and shipped out to Mars. Enter Carl Marsalis, a hit man who would like nothing more than to stop killing and put his past behind him--and when he's eventually captured in Miami, it seems like the government might take care of his problems for him. Unfortunately, around the same time a transport from Mars arrives back on earth. The entire crew has been killed by a stowaway who turns out to be one of these violent superhumans--and maybe something worse. Now Marsalis is given a choice: use his heightened powers to hunt down the killer, or face a fate worse than death.

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