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The Robots of Dawn de Isaac Asimov
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The Robots of Dawn (original: 1983; edição: 1994)

de Isaac Asimov

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Classic Literature. Fiction. Science Fiction. HTML:A millennium into the future two advances have altered the course of human history: the colonization of the Galaxy and the creation of the positronic brain. Isaac Asimov's Robot novels chronicle the unlikely partnership between a New York City detective and a humanoid robot who must learn to work together.
Detective Elijah Baiey is called to the Spacer world Aurora to solve a bizarre case of roboticide. The prime suspect is a gifted roboticist who had the means, the motive, and the opportunity to commit the crime. There's only one catch: Baley and his positronic partner, R. Daneel Olivaw, must prove the man innocent. For in a case of political intrigue and love between woman and robot gone tragically wrong, there's more at stake than simple justice. This time Baley's career, his life, and Earth's right to pioneer the Galaxy lie in the delicate balance.
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Título:The Robots of Dawn
Autores:Isaac Asimov
Informação:Spectra (1994), Mass Market Paperback, 448 pages
Coleções:Read and Released
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Etiquetas:science fiction

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I enjoyed it very much, but I would have preferred that the resolution of the murder would not have involved the particular skill that it did. That seemed a little farfetched to me. ( )
  zjakkelien | Jan 2, 2024 |
2.5 stars

The Robots of Dawn is the third volume in the Robot series by Isaac Asimov. It was published in 1983 some twenty six years after The Naked Sun was (The Naked Sun was published in 1957). The Robots of Dawn completes a trilogy of detective novels set a thousand years in the future in which an Earth police detective, Elijah Baley, works with a humaniform robot, R. Daneel Olivaw, to solve bizarre murders. The Robots of Dawn reunites readers with sleuth Elijah Baley and his humanlike robot-sidekick, R. Daneel. Earthman Baley is summoned to the Spacer world Aurora, where a Daneel-lookalike robot, Jander, has been mysteriously brain-killed in an act of roboticide.

The Robots of Dawn takes places on Aurora, the first world colonized from Earth, making it one of the most powerful spacer worlds. The reason Baley is sent to Aurora is to crack the case of the roboticide in order to free the name of the chief Earth supporter and robot inventor (Han Fastolfe) on Aurora who stands accused of killing Jander. The only problem is Fastolfe is the only person who possesses the skill to have “killed” Jander. Meanwhile, Kelden Amadiro, Fastolfe's chief political rival and head of the Robotics Institute, wants to see Aurora alone colonize the Galaxy, by means of humaniform robots which at present only Fastolfe can build. So Baley gets busy investigating and During the course of the investigation, Baley discovers that Gladia, a woman Baley met on Solaria in The Naked Sun, was in a relationship with R. Jander. Could she have something to do with the murder?

This is my least favorite book in the Robot series by Asimov, for a few reasons. First, the dialogue is just endless and often kind of droll. If you want to learn how to solve crimes by constantly talking to people read this book. Secondly, the female voices – such as Gladia – while technically interesting, are still a bit clumsy and this made more so by Asimov’s noble attempt to bring his female characters into the era of the sexual revolution and feminism. (While I’ll admit some of the discussion about Jander and Gladia’s relationship posed interesting philosophical questions about personhood, I found most of the sexual discussions to be cringe worthy). Gladia certainly is more three-dimensional in this novel as she carries the secret of a relationship with Jander but, Jehoshaphat! I’m convinced that Asimov just can’t write dialogue between a man and a woman effectively. Asimov is far better at writing the chemistry and dynamics between a man and robots and a man and other men than he is with a man and a woman. I also think Asimov spent way too much time focusing on Gladia and Baley and Gladia’s sexual issues. This book also really lacks stakes: there are no real villains or life-and-death issues. This book really is about maintaining Earth’s presence on the spacer worlds and is in many ways, one giant set up for the Foundation series. Thirdly, this novel is substantially longer than his earlier novels in this series and it suffers for it.

With my critique out of the way, I will say that the mystery solution took me somewhat by surprise this time (although the real villain is totally predictable). There are a lot of connections between his other books here, looking backward into previous robot books and forward into the Foundation series. In fact, the solution does sort of tie into the Foundation series.

Sadly, Asimov's The Robots of Dawn doesn't stand up to the previous two entries. The "B" plot focusing on Gladia and Jander is the least interesting aspect of the story (I'm more interested in the political ramifications of what the Robotics Institute is trying to accomplish). This book is a bit overstuffed. Obsessing over the sexual customs of the "spacer worlds" was just a bit over the top for me. I wanted more politics and less psychology. That being said this book about humans and robots and the Earth’s influence in the stars is still full of (mostly) well thought-out sociological, psychological and philosophical aspects. And of course it was still fun to team up with our fallible Earth police detective, Elijah Baley, , and his partner, R. Daneel Olivaw for another ride. I just wish it wasn't so bumpy.
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  ryantlaferney87 | Dec 8, 2023 |
Eerder besprak ik van auteur Isaac Asimov al De totale robot https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2021/08/de-totale-robot-isaac-asimov.ht..., Een oceaan van sterren https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2021/08/een-oceaan-van-sterren-isaac-as..., de Foundation-trilogie https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2021/09/foundation-foundation-en-keizer..., Goud https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2021/09/goud-isaac-asimov-boekbesprekin..., Het einde van Eeuwigheid https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2021/10/het-einde-van-eeuwigheid-isaac-..., Nemesis https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2021/10/nemesis-isaac-asimov-boekbespre..., en Opnieuw de Zwarte Weduwnaars https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2022/04/opnieuw-de-zwarte-weduwnaars-is.... De auteur voorstellen hoef ik dus voor wie mijn boekbesprekingen regelmatig leest (of dat net alsnog gedaan heeft door op de koppelingen te klikken) al niet meer te doen. Voor wie mijn boekbesprekingen niét regelmatig leest (en het vertikt alsnog op die koppelingen te klikken): als u te lui bent om dat te doen, dan ben ik te lui om mezelf te herhalen. Nah!

Enfin, wie Isaac Asimov niet kent en ook maar een béétje geïnteresseerd is in science fiction verdient sowieso een pak voor zijn broek, dus ik ga er van uit dat die combinatie niet voor komt. In tegenstelling tot die van detective- en robotverhaal die Asimov in voorliggend De robots van de dageraad geprobeerd en met succes volbracht heeft. “De nieuwste roman van de befaamdste SF-schrijver aller tijden”, dixit de auteur van de achterflap van deze in 1984 bij Meulenhoff verschenen vertaling van The robots of dawn, is daarom alleen al elke minuut leestijd waard: Asimov staat immers niet alleen bekend als de meester van het betere robotverhaal, maar schreef ook meesterlijke detectives. Én hij wist een vrij consistent universum te creëren, waarin hij ook dít verhaal perfect inpaste. En dat ondanks het feit dat dit verhaal een “vervolg” was op een exemplaar dat… zesentwintig jaar eerder verscheen.

Hoofdfiguur Elijah Baley, die in De robots van de dageraad van de overbevolkte, maar quasi van robots verstoken, planeet Aarde naar de dunbevolkte, maar van véél robots voorziene, planeet Aurora wordt gezonden om op die laatste de “moord” op een robot op te lossen, een “moord” die – ook volgens de waarschijnlijke ‘moordenaar’ – alleen maar kan gepleegd zijn door degene die hem laat halen, was namelijk óók de hoofdfiguur in The caves of steel (De stalen holen – zoals de steden op Aarde ook nog in De robots van de dageraad genoemd worden) uit 1954 en The naked sun (De blote zon) uit 1957, waar óók – net zoals in De robots van de dageraad - R. Daneel Olivaw, een mensachtige robot, een hoofdrol in speelt. Dezelfde R. Daneel Olivaw die eveneens een hoofdrol speelt in Foundation and Earth, wat op Wikipedia tot volgende enigszins foute voorstelling van zaken leidt: “At the time of writing, Asimov conceived of The Caves of Steel as completely distinct from his Foundation Trilogy, published a few years earlier. Decades later, however, Asimov linked them, making the time of Caves of Steel a much earlier part of an extensive future history leading up to the rise of the Galactic Empire, its fall and the rise of two Foundations to replace it – with the Robot R. Daneel Olivaw, introduced in Caves of Steel, turning out to have survived over tens of thousands of years and have played a key role in the eras of both the Empire and the Foundation(s)”. “Ten tijde van het schrijven van het verhaal ontwierp Asimov De stalen holen als volledig afgescheiden van zijn Foundation-trilogie, die een paar jaar eerder werd gepubliceerd. Decennia later echter koppelde Asimov die, van De stalen holen een veel eerder deel makend van een uitgebreid toekomstig verleden dat zou leiden tot de opkomst en val van het Galactisch Imperium en de opkomst van de twee Foundations die het zouden vervangen – met de robot R. Daneel Olivaw, geïntroduceerd in De stalen holen, die uiteindelijk tienduizenden jaren blijkt overleefd te hebben en een sleutelrol te spelen in de tijden van zowel het Imperium als de Foundation(s).” Niet helemaal juist omdat de eigenlijke connectie niet ligt tussen De stalen holen en de Foundation-trilogie, maar tussen De robots van de dageraad (en later Robots en Imperium, het vierde boek waarin R. Daneel Olivaw voorkomt) en De Foundation en Aarde, het in 1986 gepubliceerde tweede vervolg op de Foundation-trilogie (gepubliceerd in 1951, 1952 en 1953, waaraan in 1988 en 1993 ook nog eens twee prequels zouden gebreid worden), maar wél aantonend wat Asimov al met de Foundation-trilogie zelf had aangetoond: dat hij een eigen universum, een eigen wereld kon creëren zónder buitenaardse wezens (zijn robots zijn geen mensen, maar wel vaak onmenselijk menselijk), waarin werkelijk álles samenhangt. Een eigen universum dat hem niet belette voor ándere auteurs een universum te creëren waarin wél buitenaardse wezens aanwezig waren (het universum dat bekend werd als Isaac’s Universe) en nog ándere van zijn verhalen, die verder geen deel uitmaken van dat universum aan dat universum vast te maken. Ja, Aurora komt voor in elk verhaal waarin R. Daneel Olivaw een rol speelt én in Prelude op de Foundation, maar Susan Calvin, die alleen maar een rol speelt in veel “vroegere” robotverhalen, en de telepathische robot waarmee ze geconfronteerd wordt in het uit 1941 daterende Liar! (Leugenaar) hebben ook de status van mythe bereikt op datzelfde Aurora, net zoals die ándere robot, Andrew Martin, uit Bicentennial Man/Positronisch brein. Met dien verstande dat de bewoners van Aurora eigenlijk niet willen geweten hebben dat robots een Aardse uitvinding zijn… net zomin als de bewoners van Aarde dat eigenlijk nog willen weten.

Nu, da’s allemaal randinformatie, die ik u alleen maar meegeef omdat ik u uiteraard niet de plot van De robots van de dageraad kan meegeven. Als ik dat wél deed, zou u zich bijvoorbeeld gaan afvragen of het wel logisch is dat R. Daneel Olivaw in de tweede sequel op de Foundation-trilogie degene is die al duizenden jaren een sleutelrol heeft gespeeld in de geschiedenis van het Imperium en de Foundation(s). En ik zou misschien ook gaan uitweiden over Gladia Delmarre, ook wel Gladia Solaria genaamd, waarmee Elijah Baley intiem wordt in De robots van de dageraad, terwijl hij het nét niet werd in De blote zon, maar dan zou ik u ook méér moeten vertellen over De blote zon, terwijl ik dat boek ooit wel gelezen heb, maar (nog) niet in mijn kasten heb staan. Of ik zou u nóg eens uitleg gaan geven over de door Asimov bedachte Drie wetten van de robotica, die zo fundamenteel zijn voor het gedrag van elk van zijn robots, maar desondanks telkens weer tot verschillende uitkomsten leiden en in dit verhaal de hoofdverdachte van de robotmoord tot het theoretisch bedenken van de psychohistorie, een wetenschap die uiteraard – zoals elke lezer van Asimov weet – pas ten tijde van het Imperium, en dus de Foundation-trilogie, door Hari Seldon wordt gevestigd (maar desalniettemin ook als échte wetenschap bestaat). Of ik zou kunnen wijzen op wéér een andere link, met name die tussen Nemesis en dit verhaal, wat betreft de angst van de “Ruimtelingen”/kolonisten voor al die virussen en bacteriën van de Aardlingen. Of op de link tussen Het einde van Eeuwigheid, of beter: het gegeven dat mensen daar géén einde willen aan maken, en het gedrag van de bewoners van de vijftig Ruimtewerelden (waarvan Aurora er een is), een gedrag dat er toe geleid heeft dat het nemen van risico’s en gevaren volkomen uitgesloten wordt en de toekomst er dus oneindig saai uitziet. Of op het verband tussen Het getal van het beest https://bjornroosebespreekt.blogspot.com/2023/09/het-getal-van-het-beest-robert-... van Asimovs goede vriend Robert A. Heinlein en, weerom, voorliggend boek (als u het leest, komt u er zelf wel achter). Of ik zou het gaan hebben over de, bijzonder grappige, draai die Asimov geeft aan een term als “globalisten”, zijn alternatieve kijk op aardse toiletten (en bijvoorbeeld het feit dat we, wat politiek-correcten daar ook van mogen denken, als man niet graag een vrouw tegenkomen op het toilet en omgekeerd), of de angst voor alles wat natuurlijk is, maar het – ook al in onze tijd – steeds minder lijkt voor mensen die met wat natuurlijk is zo weinig mogelijk in contact willen komen. Ik zou u met andere woorden kunnen gaan bezighouden met citaten als dit: “Baley voelde koude lucht rond zijn voet kronkelen en koud water spetteren. Het was een angstwekkend ongewoon gevoel, maar hij kon het portier niet dicht laten gaan, want dan zou hij het niet weer open weten te krijgen. Hoe maakten de robots die deuren open? Voor de deelgenoten van deze beschaving was dat natuurlijk geen vraagstuk, maar in wat hij gelezen had over het leven op Aurora was geen aanwijzing voorgekomen hoe je het portier van een gewone zwever openmaakt. Alles wat van belang is wordt als bekend verondersteld. Men gaat ervan uit dat je het weet, ook al word je in theorie juist ingelicht.” Waarna ik – u kent mij, ik verbind aan mijn boekbesprekingen graag iets van mezelf – u dan lastig zou vallen met bijvoorbeeld dat verhaal over hoe ik mijn eerste auto de parkeerplaats moest uitduwen omdat niemand me gezegd had hoe ik zo’n verdomde Opel in zijn achteruit moest zetten, of dat ik niet wist hoe je in een gsm moest spreken omdat ik in 1996, het jaar waarin ik mijn eerste Nokia moest aankopen van mijn toenmalige baas, nog nooit iemand met een gsm had gezien. En met zo’n verhalen wil ik u echt niet lastigvallen. U kan uw tijd zinniger gebruiken. Bijvoorbeeld om De robots van de dageraad op de kop te tikken en te lezen. Da’s beslist een aanrader.

Björn Roose ( )
  Bjorn_Roose | Nov 13, 2023 |
Vasilia looked at Daneel with bitter curiosity. "Partner Elijah? Is that what you call him?"

"Yes, Dr. Vasilia. My choice in this matter-the Earthman over you-arises not only out of Dr. Fastolfe's instructions, but because the Earthman and I are partners in this investigation and because-" Daneel paused as though puzzled by what he was about to say, and then said it anyway, "-we are friends."

Vasilia said, "Friends? An Earthman and a humaniform robot? Well, there is a match. Neither quite human."

Baley said, sharply, "Nevertheless bound by friendship. Do not, for your own sake, test the force of our-" Now it was he who paused and, as though to his own surprise, completed the sentence impossibly, "-love."


You know something's gone off the rails when I have to start a review of a story about robots with a content warning for multiple incest mentions. This is a book where Asimov suddenly cares deeply about sex and romance, while showing approximately zero understanding of what love and intimacy mean. Aurora is a society where sex is apparently much freer than on Earth and yet Asimov shows very little understanding of what such a concept would look like, or how it could be fulfilling. In this book Bailey's superhero act somehow breached my suspension of disbelief, not when he saves the universe, but when he heroically introduces how great lifelong monogamy and "courtship" are - and "courtship" in this case appears to mean ignoring people's clearly stated rejection and trying over and over again - to Auroran society.

To look at it another way, why is the "love" relationship between a woman and a robot so heavily foregrounded? There's a strong set up of parallels and matches between Gladlia and Bailey. So when Gladlia finds their perfect match is a robot... and it just so happens that the "twin" of that robot is Bailey's "partner" Daneel... suddenly the already noticeable homoerotic tinge to their relationship comes into focus. This is the sort of thing that has been obvious to at this point generations of shippers but I think a lot of sci-fi fans would write off as "reading too much into it". But it's not just the declarations of love but the entire structure of the plot that demands a Bailey/Daneel romance to be noticed.

What you'd assume is the main "plot" about the robots is surprisingly thin. The book strings you along with a mystery at the start: a robot has been killed in a way that indicates a fiendish "talking to death". Only one person could possibly have done it, and Bailey's job is to somehow defend him. Despite tons of dialogue harping on this basic concept, the actual resolution to this is a major anti-climax - in the last couple of pages we discover something which breaks all the rules of a good mystery novel: one of the roboticist's robots is both a mind reader and a mind controller and he did it... to get Bailey to Aurora. So he could study his mind. Even his expository dialogue doesn't really fully explain what's going on but either way introducing a mind controller in a mystery novel is a piss take because it removes all the meaning from the rest of the book.. Even outside of its failure as a mystery, it just fundamentally doesn't make sense as a plot - it's never really clear WHY everything hinges on the "murder" of a robot and who did it. Indeed, the wrap-up on it makes it even more confusing - the rival roboticist becomes "guilty" when it's revealed he'd been interviewing the dead humaniform robot. But it's made clear at the same time that "killing" a robot wouldn't have been a crime anyway because the main roboticist owned the robot and Aurora doesn't see robots as anything other than property. So why is the prospect of him killing the robot enough to make a large bloc not back his plans for Earthmen colonising planets? And why would the rival roboticist talking to the humaniform robot be enough to swing people against him? Is it an accusation of industrial espionage? It's very weird ( )
  tombomp | Oct 31, 2023 |
This third Lije Baley robot novel mystery was written three decades(!) after the first two, "The Caves of Steel" and "The Naked Sun" during the last decade of the Good Doctor's life when he sought to interconnect his major science fiction works written over the course of his writing career (i.e., his robot, galactic empire, and award-winning Foundation stories and novels) into his own "Future History" series like that of many of his peers, notably Robert Heinlein.

Earth police investigator Lije Baley is again called upon to solve a murder of a member of the Spacer worlds, but this time the victim is one of the only two humaniform robots in existence -- and nothing less than the survival of all humanity is at risk.

This story is more complex and far longer than the two previous robot novels -- and, perhaps, suffers for it. In addition to, and entwined with, the central narrative of a murder mystery,
is political intrigue and romance, each with extensive philosophical considerations (including, uncharacteristically, of Asimov's prior fiction, of sex -- fidelity/infidelity, casual sex, consent and age of consent, auto/roboto-human sexual relations, etc.). To his credit, Asimov compares and contrasts the differences to the "accepted" sexual mores of his, and mostly our, modern American culture with the different mores he depicts on the two Spacer worlds that his protagonist encounters in the previous and, in greater detail, this novel, without being overtly judgmental -- but, in Lije's relationship with the beautiful Gladia (the accused murderess he "saves" in the prior novel), at times, the story seems uncomfortably like fantasy wish fulfilment.

The inclusion of references to the Good Doctor's other works has mixed results. Those to chronologically ocurring works like robotocist Susan Calvin of the Asimov collection "I, Robot," and to Andrew Martin of his "The Bicentennial Man" are internally consistent with the plot, the first proving to be quite relevant to the story. However, the inclusion of the term and definition of "psychohistory," that is central to Asimov's Foundation novels that, per the Good Doctor's Future History, are set many millennia in the future is jarringly anachronistic -- despite the tenuous suggestion spread across these later-in-life-written linking novels that it is the robots that all along that have been secretly guiding/manipulating humanity to ensure our survival in accordance with the 1st and (as I recall from the next and final "robot" novel "Robots and Empire") 0th Laws of Robotics.

As has been noted by many reviewers and students of Asimov, his prose style for plot advancement is primarily extended dialog between his characters with relatively sparse scenes of actual action. It is something the reader either dislikes or accepts as "Asimov's" way and forgives him the many moments of long exposition and, at times, info dumping.

While my preference would have been for a tighter (and shorter) told tale, the story does work as a whodunit with pleasing misdirection, a secondary illuminating reveal sustained by (admittedly subtle) foreshadowing clues, and a bittersweet yet inspiring emotional conclusion. ( )
  Dr_Bob | Oct 22, 2023 |
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Classic Literature. Fiction. Science Fiction. HTML:A millennium into the future two advances have altered the course of human history: the colonization of the Galaxy and the creation of the positronic brain. Isaac Asimov's Robot novels chronicle the unlikely partnership between a New York City detective and a humanoid robot who must learn to work together.
Detective Elijah Baiey is called to the Spacer world Aurora to solve a bizarre case of roboticide. The prime suspect is a gifted roboticist who had the means, the motive, and the opportunity to commit the crime. There's only one catch: Baley and his positronic partner, R. Daneel Olivaw, must prove the man innocent. For in a case of political intrigue and love between woman and robot gone tragically wrong, there's more at stake than simple justice. This time Baley's career, his life, and Earth's right to pioneer the Galaxy lie in the delicate balance.

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