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Only blank verse translation I'm aware of. ( ![]() 23. The Romance of the Rose by Guillaume de Lorris & Jean de Meun translation and notes: from Old French by Frances Horgan (1994) written: circa 1230/1275 format: 365-page Oxford World Classic paperback acquired: January read: Mar 3 – Apr 7 time reading: 21:34, 3.6 mpp rating: 4 genre/style: medieval literature theme: Chaucer locations: mythological garden about the author: Guillaume de Lorris (c. 1200 – c. 1240). He is named within as the author of the first 4,058 verses, otherwise nothing is known about him. Jean de Meun, author of the remaining 17,724 verses, lived c1240-1305. There is a terrific review of the same edition of this book on this page by LT user baswood, from 2011. I'll have to leave you to his review to capture the essence. This was a really influential work. Dante and Chaucer, in particular took this in. Chaucer translated it from Middle French to his own Middle English in the late 1300s. The book is a simple story - a youth, in a dream, stumbles upon a magical garden of dancing immortals. Pleasure, Joy, and so on, fulfil their names. Love is there too, with a quill of arrows. Our youth, firmly struck by five different of Love's arrows, falls deeply in love with a "rose". But when he kisses the rose immortals of very different leanings appear, Jealousy, Shame, Fear, etc, and they react in anger, send him away, and build a fortress around the rose. The youth, now lovesick, strives to find a way back to his rose and appeals to the god of Love. The work has its own little story. One author, [[Guillaume de Lorris]], otherwise unknown, wrote a short incomplete opening in his own French. Then 40 years later another author, [[Jean de Meun]], associated with the Paris university, expanded and completed it, without changing any of the essential story elements. There is no documentary evidence of this origin story, other than that the work itself states this, and that it changes tone. It opens light, creative, and fun. Then the monologues become really really long. [[Jean de Meun]]'s section keeps the tone light, but he expands the monologues, touching on various philosophical ideas. It gets slow in places. It's a playful work in several ways. There is, of course, the romance and sex. It gets very explicit, even if the wording is allegorical. But the philosophy is a game touching on serious stuff. The university in Paris was in some controversy at the time between, on one hand, devoutly religious strict scholars, and, on the other, liberal, lay, perhaps even atheist, scholars. There was real bitterness, with scholars getting excommunicated and exiled out of France. [[Jean de Meun]] was playing with some of the more serious ideas getting tossed about. But he's messing around. The references he cites are often misused, or not relevant. The ideas his characters work out get very convoluted, and it's hard to believe this wasn't made confusing by playful intent. In a way it was a Monty Python or Terry Pratchett of its own time - intelligent, fun, irreverent, and impudent. The idea of tihs is wonderful. The execution will vary with the reader and their mood. I was ok with it but did not fall in love. 2023 https://www.librarything.com/topic/348551#8115253 Uno de esos clásicos de la literatura medieval que "hay que leer" pero que, la verdad, antes hay que enterarse un poco. Y en ese sentido esmuy buena la introducción, breve pero suficiente para que le lector sepa a qué atenerse. El poeta, en un sueño, se encuentra en un paisaje idílico y topa con un jardín cerrado. En sus muros hay pìntadas actitudes que a la vez impiden el acceso al jardín y además ellas mismas están siempre fuera de él. Hasta que el poeta encuentra una rendija y es introducido por "Ociosidad". Por lo visto, el jardín es el mundo del amor cortés, estupendo pero bastante cerrado. El poeta se encuentra con diversas actitudes positivas, especialmente con "Dulce Albergue" (por cierto, personificado en un hombre) que acaban enseñánsole "la rosa", lo más preciado y oculto. El poeta, completamente enamorado, pide a su amado unbeso, y esta se indigna. Aquí acaba la primera parte, escrita por Lorris. La segunda parte, obra de Meun, es muchísimo más larga y en ella aparecen los enemigos del poeta (como Mala Lengua o Celos), que encierran la rosa en lo más profundo de un castillo donde también meten a Dulce Albergue. Para rescatar a este y poder coger aquella, el poeta encuentra muchos ¡enemigos, como los ya citados, que le sermonean o le insultan, pero también amigos, como Naturaleza o Amor, que le ayudan en las batallas, hasta que consigue liberar a Dulce Albergue y coger la rosa, despertando finalmente de su sueño. Obviamente, todo es alegórico y su significado real suele ser bastante evidente (así la escena final, cuendo "toma la rosa" narrando todos los detalles). La primera parte, para mi gusto, es bastante más fresca y fue escrita en la primera mitad del siglo XIII exaltando el amor cortés. Algunos párrafos, como los "mandamientos del amor" resultan bastante divertidos ("vístete bien, pero no te arruines, y lleva siempre las manos limpias"). La segunda parte, escrita una generación después, se alarga demasiado. Carlos Alvar dice que, por un lado, el amor cortés ha cedido el paso a cierto cinismo y materialismo que no cree en las virtudes de las damas y menos en las de los caballeros; y que, por otro lado, Meun trata de alargar el texto mediante frecuentes y largas digresiones, pero que precisamente estas digresiones son su principal valor, porque puede hablar de casi cualquier cosa. Y es verdad que los diferentes discursos de los personajes empiezan con tema erótico pero pueden acabar hablando de astronomía, de cocina, de teología o de cualquier otra cosa. Y hay escenas más movidas, como los dos asaltos al castillo, descritos como si fuesen batallas reales, o algunos excursos más graciosos, como aquél en el que el poeta reprocha a Razón (que suelta un tremendo sermonaco, por cierto) el uso de palabras malsonantes, impropias de una dama, y ella se defiende con soltura. En fin, que es una buena obra, a veces aburrida pero con momentos divertidos, y que solo se aprecia con algo de ayuda. ¡Ah, se me olvidaba! Esta edición, muy cuidada como todas las de Siruela, incluye algunas deliciosas miniaturas de uno de los ejemplares medievales, con un breve y acertado comentario. 5 v.Ex-lib. Marlboro College > Babelio : https://www.babelio.com/livres/Lorris-Le-roman-de-la-rose/223408 > BAnQ (Wilhelmy A., Mémoires du livre = Studies in book culture, 2011) : https://collections.banq.qc.ca/ark:/52327/4151971 > BAnQ (Postures, No 13 | Printemps 2011) : https://collections.banq.qc.ca/ark:/52327/3529510 > BAnQ (Gariepy M., Amérique française, 1947, juin-juillet) : https://collections.banq.qc.ca/ark:/52327/2224830 > Par Adrian (Laculturegenerale.com) : Les 150 classiques de la littérature française qu’il faut avoir lus ! 07/05/2017 - Roman en deux parties, première par Guillaume de Lorris et deuxième par Jean de Meung. 21 000 vers, oeuvre la plus citée et la plus lue en ancien français. La première partie du roman est de style courtois, la deuxième aborde avec Jean de Meung de nombreuses questions philosophiques et scientifiques, parfois subversives ! sem resenhas | adicionar uma resenha
Pertence à série publicadaBiblioteca Medieval (19) Les classiques français du Moyen Age (92, 95, 98) Edition Perceval (8)
Many English-speaking readers of the Roman de la rose, the famous dream allegory of the thirteenth century, have come to rely on Charles Dahlberg's elegant and precise translation of the Old French text. His line-by-line rendering in contemporary English is available again, this time in a third edition with an updated critical apparatus. Readers at all levels can continue to deepen their understanding of this rich tale about the Lover and his quest--against the admonishments of Reason and the obstacles set by Jealousy and Resistance--to pluck the fair Rose in the Enchanted Garden. The original introduction by Dahlberg remains an excellent overview of the work, covering such topics as the iconographic significance of the imagery and the use of irony in developing the central theme of love. His new preface reviews selected scholarship through 1990, which examines, for example, the sources and influences of the work, the two authors, the nature of the allegorical narrative as a genre, the use of first person, and the poem's early reception. The new bibliographic material incorporates that of the earlier editions. The sixty-four miniature illustrations from thirteenth-and fifteenth-century manuscripts are retained, as are the notes keyed to the Langlois edition, on which the translation is based. Não foram encontradas descrições de bibliotecas. |
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