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Harry Potter ja Feeniksin kilta (original: 2003; edição: 2004)

de J. K. Rowling, Jaana Kapari

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When the government of the magic world and authorities at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry refuse to believe in the growing threat of a freshly revived Lord Voldemort, fifteen-year-old Harry Potter finds support from his loyal friends in facing the evil wizard and other new terrors.
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Título:Harry Potter ja Feeniksin kilta
Autores:J. K. Rowling
Outros autores:Jaana Kapari
Informação:Helsinki : Tammi, 2004
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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix de J. K. Rowling (2003)

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I listened on audible and really enjoyed it! Was perfect for driving to work daily and while doing chores. ( )
  Hollee.Archibald | Nov 25, 2021 |
This book is my favorite installation of the Harry Potter series. Even though I do not agree with J.K. Rowling’s views, I do think that she is a genius writer that created an amazing fantasy world that people over several generations are able to enjoy. This book is my favorite out of the whole series because of the shift from the characters being kids to them starting to make more serious decisions. It's also my favorite because of the new types of magic it introduces into the Harry Potter universe. ( )
  bseebeck23 | Nov 5, 2021 |
Though depressing and exceedingly long, this is the best of the series so far. Umbridge is possibly a more effective villain than Voldemort. ( )
  Joe901 | Nov 2, 2021 |
Me gjithë ato paralajmërime që Lordi Fluronvdekje po kthehet, Harri dhe Dambëlldori do shënjestrohen nga autoritetet e Ministrisë së Magjisë, teksa një burokrate me autoritet Dolores Umbridxh, do të shpallet drejtoreshë në Hoguarts. Harri dhe miqtë e ti themelojnë "Ushtrinë e Dambëlldorit".
  BibliotekaFeniks | Oct 31, 2021 |
[[ Spoilers, folks. ]]

Dumbledore, this is why we can't have nice things! Yep, this is the book where we find out that EVERYTHING is Dumbledore's fault.

Why did Voldemort kill Harry's parents? Because he heard part of a prophecy in the Hog's Head Pub. So the real question is...why didn't Dumbledore interview Professor Trelawny in his office at Hogwarts? Then no one would have overheard, Voldemort wouldn't know it existed and wouldn't want to get it out of the Department of Mysteries, and the prophecy would be in Dumbledore's back pocket instead of a liability. (Of course, this way we do get a lovely chance to speculate about whether JKR's prophecies are self-fulfilling, and about other ways the prophecy might have worked out if Voldemort didn't actually know about it.)

Shut it, you say, shut it! That's the whole point of the series!

Okay, yes, fine, I'll give you that, we wouldn't have the Harry Potter series we know if Voldemort hadn't killed the Potters when Harry was a baby. Answer me this, then: Why does Dumbledore need the Order to guard the prophecy? I mean, look at what happened to the people who Voldemort sent to try to get it--the Department of Mysteries guards its secrets well enough on its own. Why add the extra layer of fallible, curseable humans to guard something already well-guarded? All it did was get one member killed, one sent to Azakaban, and poor Arthur Weasley severely injured (yep, I'm blaming Dumbledore for that one).

But, you cry, Voldemort wanted the prophecy! He would have still manipulated Harry into going there!

Ah, I say, but then here we really see that Dumbledore is an idiot. Even if he doesn't want to face up to the fact that Harry is growing up and owed information about his own fate, that doesn't mean that every secret should have been kept from him. So you don't want to burden Harry with the weight of responsibility (and I call BS on that because you've done nothing to help him cope with any sense of responsibility he might feel for Cedric's death as the one to suggest that he and Cedric take the Cup together), so don't tell him what's in the prophecy. Just tell him that Voldemort wants something, that for his own unnamed purposes he wants Harry to retrieve it, and then tell Harry not to go rushing off because of any dreams or visions he might have without first consulting a member of the Order. Problem solved!

Sarah, you moan, why do you even read these books if you're just going to pick them apart?

I would never harm my precious, I say, stroking the broken spines of books too fat for their own structural integrity. I love them because of their flaws, as well as in spite of them. Now be quiet and let me continue.

Now, why does Dumbledore care if Voldemort gets his hands on this prophecy? Does it really say anything useful? I mean, I remember being nonplussed when I first read about this prophecy back in 2003. So one has to kill the other, so what? I mean, I kind of figured that was where the series was headed--didn't need a prophecy to tell me that, even when I was 13. It's not like knowing that is going to make Voldemort's followers want to kill Harry MORE--they already wanted to, and dead is dead, this ain't The Princess Bride. So if Voldemort wants this prophecy but Harry knows not to pay attention to his visions, that leaves Voldemort only one option: get it himself. Then Dumbledore manipulates the Ministry to end up having lots of people hanging around after hours (timed dung bombs in the brain room, anyone?) then Voldemort will be spotted on his way in by someone the Ministry can't just deny, the world will know that Voldemort is back, and all's well that ends well. This would be even easier if Dumbledore could manage to recruit some people to the Order who actually work in the Department of Mysteries. Gee, that might have been useful...

Of course, here's where Voldy's an idiot. You don't need Harry Potter to break in, and you don't need to do it yourself, either! Just send someone to blast open the prophecy--nothing bad happened to Harry et al. when they smashed hundreds--then use a Pensieve to pull the memory out of your follower and hear what it says. Easy, peasy!

(Also, why doesn't the magical community say "Voldy" or "Morty" instead of "You-Know-Who"? Takes away some of the fear factor.)

Okay, now that I'm done being snarky and have presented more evidence for the need for a Department of Logical Thinking at both Hogwarts and the Ministry, time to get to thoughts about my actual reading experience.

I've sometimes thought this might be my favorite book (though that's like picking a favorite flavor of ice cream: impossible!). HP4 was packed full of magical action, but almost all of it took place in the little bubble of Hogwarts with a smaller side-bubble of the Quidditch World Cup. It's very much a child's view of the world. HP5 however, unpacks Harry's world like never before: we see more of Little Whingeing than just Privet Drive, we see the heart of wizarding government and "justice," we see beyond the children's section of Britain's only all-magic community (Hogsmead), we see a massive magical hospital. And all of this is permanent, not temporary like the World Cup Quidditch pitch.

The expansion is a fitting follow-up to the conclusion of HP4, when Harry was forcibly removed from his mostly-comfortable, mostly-innocent childhood at Hogwarts to a dark graveyard full of adults--Voldemort and his followers--and he never quite makes it back to the Hogwarts he had before. Before, the world came to him: Lucius Malfoy, the Dementors, Rita Skeeter, international wizards. Now, he has to go into the world: to Grimmauld Place in the city instead of the Burrow in the countryside, to visit the Ministry instead of having Cornelius Fudge visit Diagon Alley or Hogwarts, and to St. Mungo's Hospital instead of the hospital wing. He actively leaves Hogwarts to meet Rita Skeeter and send his own story abroad, instead of passively having her stories about him literally dropped on his head in the dining hall. Perhaps being tied to a headstone in a dark graveyard, denied any kind of movement or action at all, gave him the burning need to expand his horizons.

At the same time, his world is also shrinking. This may be Harry's first Christmas away from Hogwarts, but he spends it locked in Grimmauld place, inside a magical hospital hidden from muggle sight, and even inside "the closed ward". For the first time, he wants to get away from Hogwarts but he has to go back to school. The freedom of vertical movement he gets through Quidditch is taken away when he's banned from the team, and then he's limited to school grounds when he can no longer go to Hogsmead. He can't even contact the outside world because his mail gets searched.

And I think it's this overarching conflict that made the book so compelling to me, that juxtaposition between great, expansive world-building finally showing that yes, there is magic beyond the walls of Hogwarts, and the simultaneous claustrophobia cast over Hogwarts itself. It's incredibly painful reading about how the place that Harry--and, let's face it, plenty of readers--considers home becomes more of a prison than a haven, but it's also giving him the impetus to leave it. If Harry Potter loses his childhood at the end of HP4, HP5 is his year spent fighting to try to get it back. Sirius' death, if nothing else, is his ultimate failure.

This book is far more emotional than the ones that came before it, and I've heard quite a few people say that's why this book is their least favorite: Harry's too moody, to angry. But reading these books one after another (and perhaps now that I'm a bit older), I completely get it. Harry went from surviving an experience that most adults would not to being treated like a child: sent to the Dursleys with no explanation (and honestly, Dumbledore, would it kill you to explain to him why that's necessary?), denied any kind of comfort or solidarity, and any and all news of the wizarding world. Forget feeling like a child--Harry probably feels like a pet hamster. With no emotional or psychological support, is it any wonder that Harry's frustrated? Plus, you know, puberty. Hormones are a thing. And Hermione definitely proved in this book that she can more than hold her own against his temper tantrums.

As for Umbridge... Well, the worst part of growing up, for me, has been finding that no matter how over the top she seems, she's not all that unusual. Maybe a bit more overtly despicable than most people, but we now have someone not too unlike her in the highest office in the land. Thank goodness he can't use magic, because I don't think he'd show even as much restraint as Umbridge does. It's hard not to draw parallels between the US education system and the Ministry's interfering at Hogwarts. Yes, some interference is needed, but none of it the type that actually gets done.

So yeah, maybe this is my least favorite year at Hogwarts because of how awful Umbridge is, and because we finally realize the extent of corruption in the magical government, but it's still one of my favorite books for all the delicious world-building. Especially that Department of Mysteries. That's my favorite of any of JKR's settings in this series.

I'm going to close with some items from a rant that poor, bleery-eyed Areg had to listen to over breakfast, which ties back in to the way this review opened.

I'm starting to feel a bit about Dumbledore the way I think people feel about Atticus Finch if they're not able to separate Go Set a Watchman from To Kill a Mockingbird: still fond and friendly, but with an undercurrent of suspicion and mistrust. It's not just the meta I've read online about his manipulations (though having all that meta in mind has definitely gotten me on the, "the only grown ups who really love Harry for himself are Hagrid and Molly Weasley" train during this reading). It's that Dumbledore is actually a terrible headmaster, and not that nice of a person.

Think about it! Where is he most of the time? Hanging out in his office? What's he doing? He doesn't even attend all Quidditch matches--it was a surprise when he showed up at the second match in Harry's first year. If his priority is meddling with the outside world, why bother being headmaster? He says he cares about his students and he gets defensive when Umbridge shakes a student in his presence, but let's take a look at what he's allowed: The same woman regularly causes students serious physical injury when she makes them copy lines. Students openly target individuals for mockery, ridicule, and harassment, openly wearing badges, singing songs, and making racist statements about them (real racist, not just anti-magical--one of the Slytherins mocked the captain of the Quidditch team for being black). Forget friendly pranks--houses can sabotage each other's team practices instead of focusing on building their own skills. Snape poisons students' pets (he's threatened to poison students, though we haven't seen it yet), punishes students for helping each other, makes no attempt to treat or grade students impartially, and causes such mental anguish that students fail his class, then refuses to consider whether his teaching methods might be at fault.

Plus, let's look at his hiring record. There are about 16 professors in Hogwarts at any given time, and 6 to 7 (depending on who's the DADA teacher that year) are awful! Trelawny can't even practice her subject, and Dumbledore was going to get rid of divination if he couldn't find a teacher anyway; Pince's library is completely useless; Binns makes even goblin and giant wars boring; Filch and Snape should be forced to live together in the middle of the Sahara desert to protect the world's children from them; 1 of 4 DADA appointees was a good teacher who knew his stuff and wasn't evil; and Hagrid, bless him, is the nicest person you'll ever meet but he just doesn't always seem to know how to teach--his good lessons include, "let's watch nifflers dig for an hour." Much as I adore him, Grubbly-Plank would have been the better hire.

None of the teachers get reviews, and several--Trelawny, Hagrid and, worst of all, Snape--are actually teaching just because Dumbledore wants to keep them around, even when it's in the opposite of the students' best interest, as in Snape's case. Heck, Snape is even head of Slytherin house, so no only has he not been reprimanded for his behavior, he's been rewarded for it!

Man...frickin' Dumbledore!

And on that note, on to The Half-Blood Prince.


Final comments:

>> Oh my gosh, SO much more description than other books. I was swimming in it, and not always in a good way! I don't need three paragraphs to know what a dementor feels like, especially since HP5 was when JKR & editors finally gave up on trying to make these books readable as standalones.

>> How did Harry get the Marauder's Map back? Last we heard about it in HP4, anti-Moody had it.

>> Why wouldn't the Daily Prophet print breaking news? If it exists to sell itself, how is Fudge supposed to prevent an article about Voldy being back?

>> Dolores Umbridge ups Snape's mentally abusive game with actual physical abuse of students.

>> How have Ron and Harry not found out about the sexist stairs to the girls' dorms in Gryffindor tower before now?

>> How did Sirius' capturers fail to realize that he has no Dark Mark before they chucked him in Azakaban?

>> Why isn't the staff room password protected? Heck, the prefects' bathroom is password protected!

>> Harry is way too curious not to have opened Sirius's gift even if he never intended to use it.

>>>> Plus, why didn't Sirius ask Harry why he didn't just use the mirror when Harry called him through the floo network? That would be my first reaction.

>>>>>> Also, why didn't anyone give Harry a secure way to talk to the Order if he needed to? If members of the Order at Hogwarts can do it, wouldn't it be important for the reason they're back together to have a means of communication, too?

>>>>>>>> And then Harry could have used that communication device to talk to Dumbledore without putting either of them at risk of Voldy's interference.

>>>>>>>>>> I am a genius and a plot's worst nightmare.

>> I respect JKR's clever naming skills even more than I used to. Grimmauld/Grim-Old Place...perfect!

>> How on earth did Hagrid get Grawp across the English Channel without being noticed?

>> Does the rest of the wizarding world fear Voldy? The dude's pretty England-centric--has he even manaced Wales? ( )
  books-n-pickles | Oct 29, 2021 |
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The family romance is a latency-period fantasy, belonging to the drowsy years between 7 and adolescence. In ''Order of the Phoenix,'' Harry, now 15, is meant to be adolescent. He spends a lot of the book becoming excessively angry with his protectors and tormentors alike. He discovers that his late (and ''real'') father was not a perfect magical role model, but someone who went in for fits of nasty playground bullying. He also discovers that his mind is linked to the evil Lord Voldemort, thereby making him responsible in some measure for acts of violence his nemesis commits...

Ms. Rowling's magic world has no place for the numinous. It is written for people whose imaginative lives are confined to TV cartoons, and the exaggerated (more exciting, not threatening) mirror-worlds of soaps, reality TV and celebrity gossip. Its values, and everything in it, are, as Gatsby said of his own world when the light had gone out of his dream, ''only personal.'' Nobody is trying to save or destroy anything beyond Harry Potter and his friends and family.
adicionado por SnootyBaronet | editarThe New York Times, A.S. Byatt
 
Las tediosas vacaciones de verano en casa de sus tíos todavía no han acabado y Harry se encuentra más inquieto que nunca. Apenas ha tenido noticias de Ron y Hermione, y presiente que algo extraño está sucediendo en Hogwarts. En efecto, cuando por fin comienza otro curso en el famoso colegio de magia y hechicería, sus temores se vuelven realidad. El Ministerio de Magia niega que Voldemort haya regresado y ha iniciado una campaña de desprestigio contra Harry y Dumbledore, para lo cual ha asignado a la horrible profesora Dolores Umbridge la tarea de vigilar todos sus movimientos. Así pues, además de sentirse solo e incomprendido, Harry sospecha que Voldemort puede adivinar sus pensamientos, e intuye que el temible mago trata de apoderarse de un objeto secreto que le permitiría recuperar su poder destructivo.
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