DiscussãoBikes and Bicycles, Cycles, Cyclists and Bikers

Entre no LibraryThing para poder publicar.


Este tópico está presentemente marcado como "inativo" —a última mensagem tem mais de 90 dias. Reative o tópico publicando uma resposta.

Fev 2, 2007, 5:27 am

Come in say hello, what you ride, what you read, stuff like that!

I'm a cyclist rather than a motorbiker: and ride a semicustomised Fort frame, road bike. But I don't do serious miles on it, just a fast commute into work, and the odd trip when the weather's good :-)

I do a lot, but not all, of my own maintanance and hence Richard Ballantine is my most used book. I've only just entered it though so its not yet rated and reviewed.
What's yours?

2akbibliophile Primeira Mensagem
Fev 5, 2007, 6:39 pm

Thanks for the join invite. I am a big cycling fan, more so several years ago before a family illness became the biggest priority for me. In particular, I'm very much into recumbents and Human Powered Vehicles. A recent project of mine can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinandcharmin/sets/72157594333112951/

My most used cycling book is Zinn and the Art of Mountain Bike Maintenance, by far. If you haven't got a copy, go find one ASAP! It's fantastic!

Fev 26, 2007, 9:01 am

For those interested in the Tour de France.

Ullrich has quit professional cycling after refuting claims of cheating: details on the BBC HERE

Editado: Fev 27, 2007, 2:16 pm

akbibliophile - Don't know if it's just me but your flickr link doesn't seem to work

5erikscheffers Primeira Mensagem
Fev 28, 2007, 9:50 pm

Thank you for inviting me for this group. When I was younger (until 30 years) I made a lot of bicycleholidays in Europe. The longest took me 10 weeks and brought me from Zeist (the Netherlands, where I live) to Istanbul. I like very much reading travelstories and especially books by bicyclists. Best bike books I have read are those by (Barbara Savage), (Heinz Helfgen, German) and (Elena Erat and Peter Materne, German).

6StrokeBoy Primeira Mensagem
Mar 16, 2007, 2:23 pm

Hey thanks for the invite. I love all things cycling, bicycling that is. I live in Colorado USA and the weather is getting beutiful for riding. I've been inside on a trainer all winter and I'm ready to get out.

Mar 16, 2007, 2:24 pm

Wow Ullrich quits and Landis still doesn't know if he really won the last Tour de France. Speaking of Landis, what are the thoughts of people here? Can you believe that he posted his defense online? If you have way more time on your hands than most people you can go here and take a look. http://www.box.net/public/c9bxy2vzyk#main.

Mar 17, 2007, 5:49 am

Are we going to get a resolution before the next Tour starts?!
If he was clean it was an absolutely stunning ride after his collapse the day before, but it does look a bit suspicious.....

It's a great shame that the state of professional cycling is such that doubt is first in mind over assumption of innocence. Rough Ride: a insight didn't help.

Editado: Mar 28, 2007, 6:20 am

Thanks for the invite. I'll have to admit I don't know much about bikes and racing. I use my bike to get from A to B as long as I can reach it in 30 min. max. Next to that I ride for recreation, but no more than 60 km a day. I use a Gazelle "townbike", don't know the English term (live in the Netherlands). Next to that I sometimes ride a Batavus racingbike and a Giant mountainbike. The racingbike belongs to my brother though and is the one I wrecked....

I do most of my own maintenance, although often with the help of my father and brother. I don't use books for this kind of thing since what my brother and father don't know about bikes isn't something I could do anyway.

Mar 28, 2007, 6:31 am

Townbike is fine, hybrid between a mountain bike and a lightweight racing bike. Also quite common over here.

I just don't find the time to ride for recreation as often as I'd like to, and haven't got into the multi-bike owning stage .... yet.

Mar 28, 2007, 6:38 am

I think, our definition of a townbike is a bit broader (I think). It means a sturdy bike for use in town. Older models (or simple models) often don't have brakes at the handlebars, but "backpaddle-brakes". Also a rack on the back to carry a bag (or people). These days they get more bells and whistles and come closer to a hybrid, but it still is the workhorse in bikes down here.

Mar 28, 2007, 6:53 am

Ah the back peddle brakes. Those we definetly don't have in the UK. My mum grew up riding one and won't try a 'normal' bike without them. You ca get really good skids out of them by standing on the peddles! I've only ridden on them once or twice when I was quite small.

Racks are commonplace. I have one on my road bike, along with mudguards, because convenience is more important than the last gram of weight. I do get odd looks from 'proper' cyclists sometimes, who eshew such fripperies.

Mar 28, 2007, 6:59 am

I think we call them city-bikes (see the CTC). The typical classic British city bike is the Pashley although quite a lot of people (especially the young) see them as hopelessly old-fashioned.

Back-pedal brakes have never been popular in the UK. Nor do many of our bikes have an integrated lock.

My hybrid came with a rack and mudgards although the rack is probably not bomb-proof enough to have someone sit on it. It has derailleurs rather than a hub-gear.

Mar 29, 2007, 4:34 am

The Dutch have a special bike type with a long wheelbase (we call it Holland-Rad, ie. Holland bike, in German). I think that is what ds_61_12 meant. It is well suited to flat landscape but a pain once you get into the first hills! I grew up with one in the north of Germany, but it was the first thing I got rid of when moving south for University!
I have an old Villiger San Bernardino city bike (17 years old but still going strong, except that I will have to exchange most of the plastic accessories like chain cover and mudguards this year).
I am thinking of getting something more in the way of a mountain bike, since my house is practically on the highest spot in the whole town, which means a climb of about 50-70 metres from town centre to my place... *wheeeze* and because we don't get younger, suspension would be nice :-).

Bikes that are to be used on streets have to have mudguards, chain cover, light set. I am not sure about the rack. If it is a racing bike (less than 11kg) it is exempt from these rules, but most mountain bikes are now sold without this "security package", too. Resulting in a high number of bikes racing about without lights at night. Well, the police could make quite a buck by doing controls on the bikers!

I also carry a big basket on my rack, big enough to hold my laptop bag and briefcase or two shopping bags.

Mar 29, 2007, 5:10 am

If you like your current bike you should be able to change the gearing on it to make going up the hill easier. At its age it is probably needed if it hasn't had them replaced before as they will be fairly worn.

Of course a modern mountain bike is almost definitely going to be lighter than your city bike which is a point in its favour.

Also I have found that suspension does not always bring the benefits one would guess. Front suspension can be OK, but avoid rear suspension unless you are paying serious money for a bike.

Bikes that are to be used on streets have to have mudguards, chain cover, light set.

Wow - in the UK you need none of that. Well you need lights (and reflectors on the pedals) after dark but not during the day.

Editado: Mar 29, 2007, 5:20 am

This is pretty close to the bike I ride - Crescent... My model is approx. 8 years old but much the same as this except the frame is a bit lighter. Plus I've destriped it, meaning I've taken all the stickers off. AND mine's a yellow/orange metallic with black mudguards etc.

My riding style is quite agressive, and this spring/soon I have to replace the gears. At least that's what I'm thinking right now as I like the bike and a new set of gears is a lot cheaper than buying a new bike.

In Sweden most ride MTBs, which are dirt cheap (if you don't want it for competing, then they are EXPENSIVE) or what you could call a town bike.

Townbikes could be anyting from 60 yrs old to new, 0 to 7 gears, handlebar break or pedal break (old ones mostly but they're still made - I'm the owner of one!).

I can make som impressing skidmarks with my pedalbrake bike, hehe, and actually pedalbrakes are excellent for measuring speed at thight curves as you can use the balance of the frame/yourself/the force in the bend to gain speed going out of the curve, feeling the balance in your body ;-)

I had to pay dearly for getting a 7-gear bike with pedal brakes.

Mar 29, 2007, 5:22 am

Yeah, I thought of having the gearing changed, but I have been told that there is not enough space in front to fit two or three chain rings for a 14 or 21 gear set. It was planned as a city bike :-).

Re: the mudguards: I am not entirely sure if they are part of the pack, but I am pretty sure about the chain cover (makes sense actually, I fell once, having had my trouser leg caught in the chain...). The light set can be clip-on on racing bikes but must be installed properly on other bikes. Lighting is currently being discussed, because the voltage is too weak and the technology is there to create some really useful bike lights. But current law doesn't allow strong lights on bikes...
Well, it also doesn't allow "running bells" (the type that works like a dynamo), but those are the only ones a car driver would hear behind closed windows.

Mar 29, 2007, 9:25 am

#16, Busifer:
It seems that the frames have changed a lot. I cannot find anything like my bike in shops now (my frame has a height of 59 or 60cm, compared to your 45cm or so). The whole geometry has changed. But I like it :-).

My bike is white and cyclamen, btw. (girly ;-) ) Quite unusal, so unusal in fact, that I had a lady approaching me once, with big eyes, and then saying "Oh I thought you were heading off with my bike! I have never seen the design with another bike." Ooops!

Editado: Mar 29, 2007, 9:49 am

I don't cycle very much through the winter. I suppose I'm a seasonal and recreational cyclist. I've had my bike for a couple of years now, and haven't done much to it apart from fit a computer and a bottle holder. When the weather gets better I'm out a couple of times a week doing circuits in my local parks - maybe about 10 miles a week in all.

The Raleigh Tundra ain't exactly top of the range, but given that I'm not a top of the range cyclist, I find it just fine for leisure use.

Mar 29, 2007, 9:41 am

weirdy message things happening :(

Mar 29, 2007, 9:41 am

Mensagem removida pelo autor.

Mar 30, 2007, 4:57 am

#17 - in the UK the law was recently changed to allow cyclists to use certain LED lights - they used to not meet the official criteria but were more visible, so finally flashing rear LEDs are legal here.

Mar 30, 2007, 5:11 am


Cyclamen? Is that one of those colours only women can see? I would probably call it a pinky red or a reddish pink.

Mar 30, 2007, 5:12 am

#14 That does look like it :) Although it looks like it is a bit of an old model. These days you also see them with a bit shorter wheelbase, mainly influenced by foreign bikes like Trek and Canondale.

Mar 30, 2007, 7:39 am

#23, andyl: *lol*, yes! But very easy to get if you need to do some touch-up work: Just buy some nail-varnish.

Mar 30, 2007, 7:48 am

#25 - ROFL!!!
A friend of mine painted his bike in something you could call diluted apricot, with white dots, only to make the bike too visible for thieves to be interested. He lived a bit outside of town and parked the bike in various places downtown, so to be able to get around fast.

Nov 20, 2007, 5:04 pm

The Fogies ride mountain bikes where there ain't no mountains. We don't commute; it's purely a fun ride although a trifle strenuous. Nothing like what we've seen in this thread. If anyone's interested we'll give more info.

Nov 20, 2007, 5:04 pm

The Fogies ride mountain bikes where there ain't no mountains. We don't commute; it's purely a fun ride although a trifle strenuous. Nothing like what we've seen in this thread. If anyone's interested we'll give more info.

Fev 28, 2008, 9:45 pm

I just (well, ok, it was last November) got my new Surley Long-Haul Trucker.

Because it's been a cold winter, I only have about a hundred miles on it, but next week, when it warms up, I plan to pedal my butt off.

Long range goal: a ride across the United States or else a long, easy meadering around Sweden.

I turn 64 years old this July and, well, you have to start sometime, right?


"In the end, only kindness matters."

(my other bike (30 years old) is a racing bike with glue-on tires at a pressure 135 psig. When I got my last flat, I decided that it was time to get a new bike)

Fev 28, 2008, 9:53 pm

>29 doogiewray:

Oh, touring is great. Better check with Busifer re the possibility of "long easy meandeing" in Sweden. I get the impression it is very hilly. (I will get to find out for myself one day, after I manage to do enough genealogy work to know where I want to go.)

Fev 29, 2008, 4:27 am

#29 Nice looking bike. If you want to go touring though you're going to need to fit a rack and paniers.

I've found that if you can make to time to ride regularly - just a short hop every day - then one's fitness to cope with the occasional long ride is much much improved.

Fev 29, 2008, 10:42 am

If you are looking for a long meandering easy biketrip, I think a trip along the lines of Netherlands, Austria, Germany, ending in Denmark would be more like it. Sweden is very hilly, and where I've been, not that well equipped with bikepaths.

Mar 2, 2008, 4:45 am

Lots of bikepaths in towns, but not much else. On the other hand there's lot of roads with wide verges, as long as you don't go by the 'E' roads (highways).

Amber, I think Doogie is thinking about this as part of his exploration of his swedish heritage, and then Denmark isn't quite the place, even if it's a better place for a bike!

Mar 2, 2008, 7:52 am

# 33 I expected it must've been something like that - otherwise Sweden is not the first country that comes to mind when talking bicycle trips if you are not living close by (no offense;-). Except the allamans ret (spelling?) that allows for camping almost anywhere.

I once made it all the way to from Malmø to Lund - the idea was to take the ferry from Copenhagen to Malmø, bike up to Helsingborg and take the ferry back to Helsingør, and then ride down the coast. Unfortunately the road was being rebuild, so we couldn't find our way further north than Lund. But the part we managed was very nice. And there were biketracks most of the way. So I just proved myself wrong..

Mar 2, 2008, 9:41 am

For Bicycle trips, I recommend Netherlands and Denmark. Both have thousands of miles of bicycle paths and other infrastructure to help cyclists. Germany and Belgium are ok, but have more hills. Austria is mountains. All over Europe, there are tours where your luggage is send from hotel to hotel and you just have to cycle from A to B to C, etc. Italy also provides gastronomic cycle tours.
In the Netherlands there are more bikes then people. Children learn to ride a bike at age 4 and ride to school on a bike. In cities, most people use a bike to commute. Even our mayors and government use bikes to go to work. 2 reasons: it is fast and it is cheap.
To protect these bikers, the law is simple: the car driver is guilty until proven innocent.
(Typing this while watching Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne, a bike race)

Mar 11, 2008, 3:48 pm

Greetings all!

I'm the newest LibraryThing employee, and an avid biker. I don't own a ton of biking books, but I have a couple of biking zines I need to catalog.

I've been riding a Lotus Challenger mixtie for the past year, and had a very nice crash:

Since moving to Boston, I bought a Dahon folding bike to take with me across the harbor, although I haven't actually done any biking yet. I need to stop moving places during the winter, where I take extra long to get back on my bike because I don't know the area.

Mar 12, 2008, 8:12 am

Ouch. Hopefully you're all healed and back on the road again.

cyclecraft has been often recommended to me - how to position oneself in traffic, and deal badly designed roads. I've yet to actually read a copy and see for myslef.

How's the Dahon ride? I tried a Birdy once, and it felt very very odd. perched up on a wobbly saddle. I'm think I'd have got used to it over time...

Mar 12, 2008, 8:23 am

Of course everything will be the wrong way around in Cyclecraft for people in the US (or most of Europe). The closest US alternative is Effective Cycling by John Forester.

BTW sonya (or anyone else) what is a mixtie? I don't think I have ever heard the term in the UK.

Mar 12, 2008, 8:41 am

I imagine it's a mixte frame, where the top tube is split into two and runs diagonally down to the rear forks - used to be popular as an alternative to a women's frame, but you don't see them much anymore.

Mar 17, 2008, 1:45 pm

Thorold, that's the one. Sorry - I mis-spelt. (mmmm, spelt.)

The Dahon seems sturdy enough, although it feels more like riding a cruiser, and that's something I have to get used to. I haven't maneuvered in traffic with it, so it'll be interesting to see how it handles with its wee wheels.

I'm quite interested in reading a biking-technique book, especially for commuting. I'll probably start with Effective Cycling.

Mar 20, 2008, 8:55 am

A mixte frame is very nice, if you are the kind of woman that would cycle with a skirt (I do). Doesn't make it overly difficult to mount the bike, and keeps the longer skirts from getting entangled in the rear wheel. Also, the frame is pretty stable (at least with my bike).

I am fascinated by folding bikes, although I have absolutely no use for them (no commuting, walking distance from work, and public transport into town). My sister (in London) got herself a Brompton, though, for part of her commute to the city. Once you get used to not lift the bike off the street (it immediately starts folding :-) ), a nice ride.

I have a motorbike licence, so much of the "how-to" on the streets was covered by that (changing lanes, braking technique, etc.). Still the only accident I ever had was a misinterpretation of lane rules in a roundabout, and I got knocked off the bike by a lorry (OK, it was a London roundabout, so I've got the excuse of being a confused Continental ;-) ).
As someone who has been cycling from the age of 4 or 5, I have practically learned efficient cycling by doing (when to shift, etc.).

Editado: Abr 11, 2008, 2:44 pm

When I returned from a trip a week ago, the United concourse at Portland Intl Airport had a display of new bicycle designs. I really want one of these - looks like the perfect thing for commuting!

Abr 11, 2008, 4:31 pm

His designs are amazing, but I've always thought they're a bit over-engineered - the Chameleon is solving essentially the same problem as the old Flevotrike I use for shifting heavy stuff around, but needs about five times as many moving parts and costs a fortune.

For my money, a real trike has to be ICE or Greenspeed, although I might be prepared to stretch a point if someone offered me a Quest or a Mango...

Abr 12, 2008, 4:53 am

You would turn down a Scorpion? I don't think I would. Also what about a Windcheetah?

Abr 12, 2008, 7:50 am

OK, maybe I'd stretch a point for one of those. Possibly...

Abr 12, 2008, 9:26 am

No question, those ICE recumbents look great, but they are so low that I would worry about visibility (both seeing and being seen) in traffic. I like the idea of a recumbent, but don't think I would like anything with an extreme horizontal riding position. A moot point in my case, because it seems I am at the low end of their height range.

A velo would be nice here during the rainy season, but I would hate to try pushing one. We have some roads steep enough to defeat almost any granny gear, including 1/2 mile of the dead end approach to my home.

Then the issue of how to transport the thing in a Honda Civic...

Abr 12, 2008, 10:39 am

My experience is that height doesn't make much difference to motorists' (in)ability to see cycles. If your colleagues claim they can't see you, ask how many small children and dogs they run down in a week - that usually makes them think a bit.

In practice, being an unusual shape seems to make you more visible. Certainly, cars generally leave a lot more space when passing a trike than when passing a bike. But I don't take my Trice Mini into city traffic if I can avoid it - having a bus breathing down your neck when your head's at hubcap level isn't very pleasant...

There's essentially no lower limit for granny gears on trikes. The Chameleon would presumably have the same problem as the Flevotrike, that the front wheel loses grip on steep slopes, but on a conventional rear-wheel-drive trike you can get up much steeper hills than a two-wheeler. One thing that's sometimes a problem in the country is that you need enough good surface for all three wheels. Cart tracks or dirt roads where you can ride reasonably comfortably on a bike or in a car might leave you with one wheel in the grass on a trike.

Abr 14, 2008, 4:05 pm

If you want to see a cool cargobike, check out www.defietsfabriek.nl and click for Bakfietsen or check out www.bakfiets.nl (english). There are 2 wheel and 3 wheel cargobikes. They are now given to pregnant women as a birthday gift, cause there's nothing more useful to transport a baby or small child, including all its toys, the daily groceries and 1 or 2 friends crying with laughter through the center of Amsterdam.

As a student, I had an old dutch cargobike, used to transport milk tanks (the big 50 liter ones). You could crash into a car, wreck the car and not even see a dent on the bike. Unfortunately it was stolen.

Abr 15, 2008, 8:14 am

We've got something similar in denmark: http://www.christianiabikes.dk/produkter.php. I'm not a big fan, having to maneuver around these big, cumbersome and slowmoving vehicles on narrow bikelanes.
In fact, they annoy me almost as much as the rick shaws that has appeared as a tourist novelty in Copenhagen the last 5 years. They appear as a danger to themselves and the surrounding bicyclists due to their slow reaction time, and the amount of space they take up.