Half-Blood Prince Discussion Chapters 21-25
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21: The Unknowable Room
22: After the Burial
25: The Seer Overheard
I'm pretty sure that's right. I did it from memory because it is too hot to bend over and pull my notes out of my bag. I'll try to get the energy to do so in the next 30 minutes or so, in the meantime, discuss!
1. KIK! Roonil Wazlib would also be a good name for a band!
2. Ron said he loves Hermione! I know that he didn't mean it that way yet, but still!
3. Bout time you figured it out Harry! On a related note, you'd think he'd already know that you can't see the Room of Requirement on the Marauder's Map sincehe used it after D.A. meetings to make sure everyone made it back to their common rooms okay.
4. I think the whole Harry not being able to get into the room thing is a bit weak. I feel like "I need to see what Malfoy's doing in here." should work. I would love to have someone who believes otherwise try to convince me though!
Sorry, my notes for this one were a bit weak. They might all be that way this week, I usually take longer to read and note that I did this time!
1. It would! Particularly Wizard Rock. Do you read Dave Barry? He's always coming up with interesting-sounding phrases that "would be a good name for a rock band."
2. I know he didn't, but (having long experience in liking someone who doesn't know it, as a teenager) you know that, somewhere in her heart of hearts, Hermione was thinking "AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! HE LOVES ME!!!"
3. True -- but he was just incredibly slow figuring this whole thing out. I love your comment (I think it was yours, at least) about Harry sometimes forgetting about magic.
4. I guess it would depend on what Draco asked for. Did he say "I need a place where I can work on this, where nobody will be able to find me?" If so, then the RoR would be responsible for keeping everyone else out. This gets a little shaky later, when Trelawney is able to enter the room to hide her sherry bottles. Would Harry have been able to enter the room when Draco was in it, if he said "I need to hide something?" I guess my assumption for "I need to see what Malfoy is doing" not working, is that Draco had already made a prior claim on the room, so it couldn't obey a second person if it was already in use by the first person. Definitely tricky, but it didn't bother me when I was reading.
- Draco was using the Room of Requirement in its "hidden things" manifestation (when it became the room full of junk) to work on his secret project.
- Draco probably asked the room for something along the lines of "I need a place to work on this, where nobody can find me."
- Harry, then, could not enter the room while Draco was in it, because Draco had specified that nobody who was looking for him would be able to find him there.
- It does seem like Harry should have been able to enter the room when Draco wasn't there. He still probably wouldn't have been able to figure out what Malfoy was doing in all that mess, anyhow.
- The fact that Trelawney could enter the room when Draco was in there bothers me -- but I suppose the room wasn't required (heh) to keep out people who weren't looking for Draco.
- Hermione's explanation of the invasion of the DA room makes sense to me. After all, everyone who came to the room that evening thought something along the lines of "I need to get into the DA meeting." Umbridge and Filch could have paced there all night thinking "I need to get to those kids," or "I need to see what they're doing in there," but once they knew specifically what was happening, they were able to get in.
- It comes down to this: the RoR reads minds, in some inexplicable way. This makes for a good plot device and interesting conversation, but it makes it hard to pin down how it works. Maybe JKR will explain more fully in "The Scottish Book!"
1. I like this Potions class. It takes me back to the feeling of those last few days of school when the teachers stop caring too!
2. When Harry gets Felix, Slughorn says it's 12 hours worth, here Harry says 24. I know I'm not the first person to have ever noticed it, but I thought I'd say it again anyway.
3. I love Ron and Hermione's reaction to Harry on Felix. Essence of Insanity!
4. Does anyone else find that reading Harry on Felix seems to release endorphins? I just get really happy reading this chapter! JKR magic?
5. Even those of you who dislike house-elves have to admit using them to test for poison is pretty horrific. Add to that the fact that it's alcohol they're testing and that Butterbeer gets them toasted and I'm ready to join S.P.E.W.!
6. Where are the bottles refilling from? Don't you have to know where food is to conjure it? Does that not apply to drinks? Is Harry refilling from Slughorn's stores?
Slughorn should have been jailed for using houseelves that way!
yes, I felt just as good as harry felt when I read that part
Ron and hermione need to stand by Harry no matter what! (of course they do later but still...)
yeah, the most fun days at school!
1. I wonder how Voldemort found out the spell to make a Horcrux? He apparently wouldn't have found it at Hogwarts, perhaps a trip to Knockturn Alley over break?
2. The last few pages of this chapter are so important. They help to understand why Harry heads into the forest in Deathly Hallows.
3. I'm personally a big fan of the way JKR uses prophecy and is able to reconcile the idea of fate and destiny with free will and choice.
1. It seems to me that turning vinegar into wine would be Transfiguration and not Charms.
2. I think all this worry about how Ron would react to Harry and Ginny drags on a bit. He's made it perfectly obvious in the past that he expected Harry and Ginny to get together.
3. I'm simultaneously horrified that Harry used the spell without knowing what it did and glad (as Ginny says) that he had something to use to get out of Malfoy's crucio, I'm also horrified at Snape for inventing the spell in the first place.
4. It will be interesting to see what they do with all this in the movie, it seems the kind of thing they would be tempted to cut (in part to maintain their rating) but they can't as they need to show the Room of Requirement, right?
5. THE KISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. I so love seeing Harry happy!
2. Okay, so why not go to the Room of Requirement and make a copy of the book with one of the speels used on Quibbler in OotP attached to it so Snape can't see it?
3. I imagine DD wasn't too happy about the timing of this new revelation to Harry.
*Almost done. Should we start a thread announcing when the DH reread will start for people who don't read this thread but might be interested in joining us for that?
Why does JKR have her couples' first kisses so public? First Harry/Ginny and then Ron & Hermione in DH. Weird.
I hate that Harry has like 3 weeks of happiness in his entire life. It's a bit harsh, really.
This book is so full of Snapey goodness. Isn't it so JKR to demonstrate his genius (through the book) and then have him do something so reprehensible? She really worked the double agent thing well. So many people were fooled. (Not me, though, I always believed.)
I have a friend who was so hoping Snape was evil just because his wife has a giant foggi-ish crush on him. heheheh, we had the last laugh. (and sob)
#19: I think in both cases they've been repressing their feelings for so long that when it happens it just doesn't matter where they are anymore! Also, I wouldn't say his entire life, he seemed pretty happy in the epilogue and I imagine he was happy with his parents. But from the ages of 1-17 yeah, it seems like there could be a bit more happiness there!
#20: I suppose its possible, especially knowing what Harry overheard on the HE. I'm going to hold off on Snape comments till next week I think.
Wasn't the cabinet mentioned in the last book where someone got shoved into it and was missing for a few weeks? I presume that Malfoy figured out that the cabinet at Hogwarts and the one in the shop went together and he moved it to the Room of Requirement so he could work on it.
Another option: I can certainly imagine Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle sneaking around the castle after curfew to move the cabinet.
Does the lack of swoonity-swoon make it any less romantic when they finally get together? I say, no, it makes it that much more meaningful. After 7 books, we all understand what it is that brings these characters together, what they've shared and how they've grown, and why they are great complements to one another.
Same can be said of Harry/Ginny, I suppose, however I hate all the gallantry leveled Ginny's way. She can handle herself, she should be allowed to fight along with the other three.
Just wanted to get that out of my system.
I have mentioned it before, but I like that the characters didn't get swoony and end up with the person from their first relationship. There were many sitcoms a few years back where kids were interested in each other as middle schoolers or freshmen and a few seasons later they were getting married!
I'm going to go ahead and make the announcement foggi usually makes now. Last 5 chapters of HBP begin on Monday. Get out your kleenex and start reading!