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Looking for great space opera

1amberwitch
Fev 11, 12:04 pm

So you recently taught me that space opera now means something different than what I originally understood it to mean.
Could you now also recommend some good examples?
Based on this new to me definition, some that I've enjoyed are:
Naismith/Vorkosigan
This Alien Shore , In Conquest Born, This Alien Shore by C. S. Friedman
Imperial Radch
Jacobs Ladder
Wayfarers
Confederation and Peacekeeper
The Murderbot Diaries

2Aquila
Fev 11, 1:21 pm

CJ Cherryh's Alliance Union series and her Chanur books
Kate Elliot's Unconquerable Sun
Suzanne Palmer's The Finder Chronicles
Some Desperate Glory by Emily Tesh

3tardis
Fev 11, 1:29 pm

Elizabeth Moon's Vatta Universe and Serrano Legacy series.
Elizabeth Bear's Ancestral Night and Machine
James White's Sector General series (medical space opera :) )
Liaden Universe by Lee and Miller.

4Cecrow
Editado: Fev 11, 2:07 pm

This is going back a ways, but so are some of your examples. I've fond memories of Stephen R. Donaldson's Gap Cycle, starting with The Real Story. He's not for everybody, but he was definitely for me.

5ChrisG1
Fev 11, 2:28 pm

My favorite recent space opera read is Adrian Tchaikovsky's The Final Architecture trilogy.

6gilroy
Fev 11, 3:22 pm

I would not consider Murderbot Diaries or Wayfarers as a Space Opera. But I guess I'm weird now.

Though I recommend Honor Harrington as a good space opera/military space opera

7paradoxosalpha
Editado: Fev 11, 3:30 pm

Newton's Wake has "A Space Opera" for its subtitle, and I liked it.

I am at the 2/3 point on Zones of Thought. I was impressed with the first book and liked the second better.

I'm a fan of The Kefahuchi Tract books, but they are definitely not to all tastes.

I also like Delany's space operas Nova and Babel-17.

8reconditereader
Fev 11, 4:45 pm

The Liaden books are great. There are several possible starting points, such as Agent of Change. I started with Fledgling and went on from there.

9ScoLgo
Fev 11, 6:14 pm

>4 Cecrow: Trigger warning for the Gap Series due to rape and violence against women.

If one can get past the worst of it in the first book, it does turn into quite a good space opera pentalogy. As an author, Donaldson does have a tendency to alienate readers with misogynistic content.

10pgmcc
Fev 11, 6:21 pm

>7 paradoxosalpha:
Newton's Wake was one I had in mind. I loved the opera put on for the Chinese commune. Ken MacLeod has a great sense of humour.

>1 amberwitch: Iain M. Banks's books are a must if you are looking for space opera, both the Culture and non-Culture stories.

11drmamm
Fev 11, 7:39 pm

Anything by Peter F Hamilton, Alastair Reynolds, or the Culture novels by the late great Iain M Banks are excellent places to start with space opera.

12paradoxosalpha
Editado: Fev 11, 10:38 pm

I am liking The Culture, having read less than half of it, but I also thought The Algebraist was very good.

13pgmcc
Fev 12, 2:09 am

>12 paradoxosalpha:
I love The Algebraist.

14AHS-Wolfy
Fev 12, 9:37 am

A couple that haven't yet had a mention that I really enjoyed are:

The Expanse series by James S. A. Corey
The Risen Empire by Scott Westerfeld (a duology where the first book also has the same name as the omnibus edition)
Old Man's War series by John Scalzi

15majkia
Fev 12, 10:08 am

If you like space battles, Jack Campbell's Admiral Geary series. Walter Jon Williams' Dread Empire's Fall series. Hamilton and Reynolds are my favs.

16daxxh
Editado: Fev 12, 2:24 pm

If you haven't read it already - Dune. Alastair Reynolds and Iain Banks are favorites. CJ Cherryh's Alliance Union series, Adrian Tchaikovsky's Architect series also. I haven't read The Expanse series yet, but it is on my TBR. I liked Donaldson's Gap series a lot. The first book was short and ok. As mentioned above, it is pretty brutal in its treatment of the main female character. But overall, it is excellent. I just finished Peter Hamilton's Void series which was also excellent.

Space Opera is my favorite. I am hoping to get some recommendations for new books I haven't read yet from this thread.

17RobertDay
Fev 12, 4:54 pm

>14 AHS-Wolfy: I second the recommendation for Westerfield's The Risen Empire. It has a slightly unusual take on the classic interstellar empire trope.

Title confusion arises because the two novels were combined in one volume for UK publication, and given the title of the first one. So whether you're expecting a stand-alone novel or a duo depends on where you're located.

18daxxh
Editado: Fev 12, 5:22 pm

Another series that hasn't been mentioned - Linda Nagata's Inverted Frontier series - Edges, Silver and Needle. I enjoyed the first three and am looking forward to the fourth, Blade.

19wbf2nd
Editado: Fev 12, 5:59 pm

The Wrong Stars trilogy is good fun.

20AHS-Wolfy
Fev 12, 9:10 pm

>17 RobertDay: Shame he didn't write more in this area. Probably getting more sales for the YA series (not to mention the movie adaptation which still hasn't seen the light of day) so can't really blame him for it I suppose.

21Neil_Luvs_Books
Fev 13, 10:11 am

I’ll echo what others have already written:
* The Expanse is absolutely outstanding. i still need to read Memory’s Legion to complete that series.
* The Imperial Radch series which has now grown to 5 novels is really enjoyable.
* CJ Cherryh’s Company Wars / Alliance-Union universe is compelling reading. I still need to get to her more recent Alliance Rising novel.

22paradoxosalpha
Fev 13, 10:28 am

For older stuff, I read the two volumes of Aldiss' Galactic Empires anthology not too long ago. It was interesting in terms of the origins and evolution of the form, but I would definitely prefer more recent works.

23majkia
Fev 13, 10:39 am

I should also mention K B Wagers series Indranan Wars startiing with Behind the Throne. Lots of fun with a former runaway gun-running princess forced home to help her planet.

24ronincats
Fev 13, 5:54 pm

I was just coming down to recommend K B Wagers but for her newer NeoG series. I liked the Indianan Wars books, but the (three books so far) NeoG Coast Guard in Solar System Space has interesting characters along with fun space opera adventure plots,

25Karlstar
Fev 14, 1:57 pm

>7 paradoxosalpha: I am a fan of The Zones of Thought, what a great series.

26elorin
Fev 16, 12:32 am

I don't know what the working definition is to know what to recommend.

27mwberry
Fev 21, 10:37 pm

I certainly second the Honor Harrington series. One of my all time favorites.

28reconditereader
Fev 21, 11:15 pm

I can also recommend Fault Lines by Kelly Jennings, especially if you like the Liaden books.

29Tatoosh
Fev 23, 3:09 pm

I just joined this group and the first message stated,

"So you recently taught me that space opera now means something different than what I originally understood it to mean."

Where did the discussion of the working definition of "space opera" occur and what is the agreed upon working definition?

30Aquila
Editado: Fev 23, 3:13 pm

If you do a search in this group for space opera the thread comes up. I believe it included "not just Honor Harrington"

ETA: https://www.librarything.com/topic/354834#8281455

31gamesbook
Fev 24, 3:26 am

I am an unabashed Alastair Reynolds fan - would highly recommend. Less "spaceships and lasers" and more gritty interpersonal struggles and the darker side of technology.

32amberwitch
Fev 24, 4:11 am

>30 Aquila: that was exactly the discussion that prompted my question in order to expand my understanding of space opera from the classical Honor Harrington type.
Apropos the talk of Steve Millers death - Based on the few Liaden books I’ve read, those would probably also fit this definition.
But interesting that Murderbot wouldn’t be considered space opera with the new, expanded definition. Maybe it isn’t grand enough.
Anyway - a lot of interesting discussions and proposals for new reading - just started Some desperate glory by Emily Tesh due to the recommendations here.

33paradoxosalpha
Editado: Fev 24, 10:07 am

Well, pace >6 gilroy:, I certainly call the Murderbot Diaries space opera. And the tags on the series page show I'm not the only one.

34Karlstar
Fev 25, 9:15 pm

>33 paradoxosalpha: Murderbot is space opera because sometimes it is set in space?

35paradoxosalpha
Fev 25, 11:18 pm

It's mostly set in space, with plots fully dependent on space travel that is considered routine by the principal characters. Also, it blithely accepts FTL interstellar travel as a premise. That all adds up to space opera in my book. What disqualifies it in yours?

36cindra-cat
Hoje, 8:27 pm

New to the group and joining in! How about the Spinward Fringe series? It has been awhile since I have read it, but I remember really liking it.

37Karlstar
Editado: Hoje, 10:47 pm

>35 paradoxosalpha: At least one of the novellas I've read was entirely set on a planet. 2 others were on space stations, but I think that's stretching the definition of 'space opera' a lot.

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