1Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Pre orders are opening on the 17th of May (16th for those who ordered Night Circus and War House)
Details of the Collectors edition and Deluxe are as below
Details of the Collectors edition and Deluxe are as below
5Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Mike from Books Illustrated just posted a video overview of the collectors edition. It really looks lovely. I hope more publishers will consider using animal free bindings in the future
6DMulvee
The animal free binding is why I'm not opting for this, even though it had been on my list of books to look out for. I think they will need to see whether this strengthens or weakens demand, and then decide if this is a route they wish to pursue in the future
7Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>6 DMulvee: Could I ask why? Are you worried that the binding won't hold up long term? Have these materials been used before? Genuinely curious. The collector's edition binding looks like Suede. I was contemplating getting the deluxe, but didn't feel the upgrade was worth double the price. I am also not familiar with the binding material -Alcantara. So in the end I opted for the collector's edition
8DMulvee
>7 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: Yes, it is just how it lasts in the long term. I think I read that this was a request from the author rather than being an initial idea from the publisher, which also concerned me a little - if the publisher has a vision then that is fair enough, but if the author makes demands (which they are within their right to do) I do wonder if the buyer will suffer. Hopefully it works fantastically well
9SF-72
>5 Praveenna_Nagaratnam:
I also appreciate that they didn't use leather. I definitely prefer cloth for several reasons.
I also appreciate that they didn't use leather. I definitely prefer cloth for several reasons.
10NathanOv
>6 DMulvee: I'll take a nice cloth and/or interesting board binding over leather any day. It feels and looks nicer to me, and is typically less prone to wear. Quite often, it's even a mark of higher quality over all the cheap full leather bindings that have flooded the market.
That said, I'm scratching my head at the use of a synthetic suede when there are so many nice book cloths readily available.
That said, I'm scratching my head at the use of a synthetic suede when there are so many nice book cloths readily available.
11What_What
I’d have preferred leather myself. It just feels nicer to the touch, and I think it can often be a byproduct of the industry, so it has the added bonus of knowing there are delicious meals being facilitated as well.
12CTPress-Tony
Alcantara is a premium, Italian-made material that’s more durable than suede and for this reason it’s used in luxury cars like Maseratis.
13Shadekeep
>10 NathanOv: I'm partial to cloth as well. I don't even balk at bonded paper covers as long as they are done properly. Watered silk is pretty nice as well.
14Glacierman
>10 NathanOv: Quite often, it's even a mark of higher quality over all the cheap full leather bindings that have flooded the market.
Makes me wonder if those are really leather or a leather composite or even perhaps a leather-grained cloth material. I've seen people fooled by the latter into thinking a book was bound in leather. And composite leather is a leather product which can be touted as being leather even if somewhat mis-leading.
Makes me wonder if those are really leather or a leather composite or even perhaps a leather-grained cloth material. I've seen people fooled by the latter into thinking a book was bound in leather. And composite leather is a leather product which can be touted as being leather even if somewhat mis-leading.
15NathanOv
>14 Glacierman: I think some people just over estimate the cost of the material vs. the cost of quality binding work.
For example, Easton Press is able to afford full-leather bindings with all their little flourishes because they skimp on manufacturing costs, and all those Etsy sellers are able to offer full Morocco or calf-skin bindings at suspiciously low costs.
All that's without even getting too deep into the range of quality for genuine leather bindings.
For example, Easton Press is able to afford full-leather bindings with all their little flourishes because they skimp on manufacturing costs, and all those Etsy sellers are able to offer full Morocco or calf-skin bindings at suspiciously low costs.
All that's without even getting too deep into the range of quality for genuine leather bindings.
16kermaier
>15 NathanOv: Talas sells 4 square feet of 1st-quality Harmatan goatskin for $170. That's probably enough for two full-leather bindings of octavo-sized volumes (without any acutal knowledge of how much wastage/off-cut is typical). So, not cheap, but the minor component of a time-and-materials breakdown of the cost of an expert binding job, I'd imagine.
17Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>12 CTPress-Tony: That is interesting. I think Mike did mention that they contemplated few options before choosing these materials. I just saw the video of the deluxe edition as well and it is bigger than the collector's edition. The solander box is lovely and there is a signed limited edition print inside the box. I wish they had upgraded the paper too for the deluxe. Then I might have strongly considered upgrading.
18Books-Illustrated
>17 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: Hello Praveena, We looked at many bonded materials that give a leather like feel, however we were not convinced that they were better than the Suedel and Alcantara. We upgrade the deluxe with the binding, the signed print, solander box, gilding and tipped-in frontispiece. The Prestige edition has upgraded paper and so much more. And I really like Munken :)
19ExLibrisDavid
>18 Books-Illustrated: Cheers to you for creating another beautiful series of books. The craftsmanship and overall theme are quite impressive! Unfortunately I missed out on the Collectors edition of Night Circus and while War Horse and Ink Heart look beautiful, I struggle to spend that much for a YA novel. Perhaps that's snobbish of me, but it seems like there are a great many novels out there with more depth to enjoy first. I'm looking forward to what your future offerings will be though!
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21NathanOv
>20 AlexBookshelfFrog: Suntup’s few letterpress Artist’s Editions have been similarly priced. I think a lot of people prefer the numbered Suntup’s because they’re often letterpress, but what you’re really paying extra for is the binding upgrade, improved paper and scarcity.
22What_What
It's a bit generous to say the numbered are often letterpress, isn't it? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it just doesn't feel accurate.
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24tkellici
>23 AlexBookshelfFrog: I bought Night Circus a few weeks ago. It came with UPS.
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27Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>26 AlexBookshelfFrog: It is so beautiful. I keep mine vertically.
28Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Just received the latest newletter with an announcement that the next book could possibly be The Starless Sea.
I really hope they go ahead with this one.
I really hope they go ahead with this one.
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30Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>29 AlexBookshelfFrog: Yes, I got the deluxe of The Night Circusg and the collector's edition of Inkheart. I only recently read Warhorse. The story was nice, and I really like Christian Birmingham's illustrations. Will likely get the collector's edition of that too.
If they really do Starless Sea, will definitely get the deluxe of that (If I can afford it, I would want to get a lettered)
If they really do Starless Sea, will definitely get the deluxe of that (If I can afford it, I would want to get a lettered)
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32Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>31 AlexBookshelfFrog: They all are
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34NathanOv
>33 AlexBookshelfFrog: Contrary to the narrative around some other publishers, there's nothing wrong with having available stock! It's often a sign of a fairly stable ad healthy business, and is the norm for larger publishers like Thornwillow and Arion.
The instant sellouts that get talked about so much are not the norm.
The instant sellouts that get talked about so much are not the norm.
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36SDB2012
>35 AlexBookshelfFrog: Suntup is an anomaly. He is also a very good marketer and does more to engage with his clients than any publisher I'm aware of.
37BooksFriendsNotFood
>30 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: I also recently read War Horse and I really loved it! I'd love to own a copy of the book and these seem to be the nicest editions. I was looking at the different states available and I love the marbled endpapers on the Prestige edition and I like that all of the illustrations are tipped in. I've also never seen a vellum binding before and imagine that it may look & feel really nice? That being said, I strongly dislike the behemoth solander box, the oddly sized drawers in it, the quote on the inside of the box with the odd spacing between each set of two lines, etc.
I doubt that I will have $3200 lying about any time soon - too many upcoming book releases to look forward to plus the question of whether the book by itself is worth this much to me - but I sometimes find myself thinking: how horrible of an idea would it be to get the Prestige edition and more or less throw out the box...? 🙈
I doubt that I will have $3200 lying about any time soon - too many upcoming book releases to look forward to plus the question of whether the book by itself is worth this much to me - but I sometimes find myself thinking: how horrible of an idea would it be to get the Prestige edition and more or less throw out the box...? 🙈
38Books-Illustrated
Update on Inkheart: The pages have now been printed courtesy of Nomad Letterpress and are now in the skilled hands of Ludlow Bookbinders. We are still on schedule for a mailing of orders in November.....in time for Christmas. Details on the books can be found - www.booksillustrated.com/inkheart
39Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>38 Books-Illustrated: Thanks for the update Mike
40Praveenna_Nagaratnam
For fans of The Night Circus and Books Illustrated, looks like their next book is going to be The Starless Sea based on the latest short video Mike posted on instagram. I loved the book, so this is a definite deluxe edition buy for me. Can't wait to see what they have planned in terms of binding, design and illustrations
41Ragnaroek
>40 Praveenna_Nagaratnam:
It will look wonderful I bet !
It will look wonderful I bet !
42Objectr
Just received an email for The Starless Sea production, and I was greatly disappointed to read that the printing for this is going to be offset while maintaining the same price point as their previous letterpress books — for the lettered editions at least.
43Ragnaroek
I didnt got any Mail so far, which is very disappointing.
Not letterpress for the same price 🤯
Not letterpress for the same price 🤯
44Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>42 Objectr: Just received the same email for the deluxe edition. Such a shame that they aren't printing this letterpress; and yes I do wonder too why the price remains the same then. I rather forgo the signed art print in exchange for letterpress printing anytime. Does the lettered come with an original illustration then?
45Praveenna_Nagaratnam
Just received a reply from Mike. They opted for ofset litho printing to maintain the price of the edition because if they chose letterpress printing, the price would have to be higher.
46Objectr
>44 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: per the website the lettered includes 17 signed prints, no original
$2,450 for a printed offset book is nearing the asinine Suntup lettered pricing of the same quality. Given the lackluster sales of the lettered Inkheart (17 remain available) I cannot imagine why lowering quality and maintaining price point would be a valid idea. I’d much rather forego presentation and signed prints in order to have a letterpress printed book, but that’s just me.
$2,450 for a printed offset book is nearing the asinine Suntup lettered pricing of the same quality. Given the lackluster sales of the lettered Inkheart (17 remain available) I cannot imagine why lowering quality and maintaining price point would be a valid idea. I’d much rather forego presentation and signed prints in order to have a letterpress printed book, but that’s just me.
47NathanOv
>42 Objectr: Disappointing - this was going to my first Books Illustrated purchase because I was looking forward to a letterpress edition of this particular title.
Given other presses can afford at least a basic letterpress text block on decent paper for less than $100 / copy, I can't imagine they're eking out a particularly big profit margin with this change.
Given other presses can afford at least a basic letterpress text block on decent paper for less than $100 / copy, I can't imagine they're eking out a particularly big profit margin with this change.
49Ragnaroek
Its interesting that there is an standard Edition now.
Not sure an non letterpress lettered Edition will sell very well though.
Would 150 more pages printed letterpress make such an huge price difference to go for full offset printing instead?
Not sure an non letterpress lettered Edition will sell very well though.
Would 150 more pages printed letterpress make such an huge price difference to go for full offset printing instead?
50DMulvee
>49 Ragnaroek: There could be an impact on timeframe - if you want letterpress maybe they had to wait an extra six months, but offset could be done immediately?
51Ragnaroek
>50 DMulvee:
That's true . 👍
I in general have no problem with offset print, but I have to admit that I grew quite fond of letterpress, especially "the night circus " was a lovely work.
But beside that it had an wonderful smelling leather beautifully bound , with gorgeous Illustrations.
I will bite in the sour apple and buy it I think, we will see.
That's true . 👍
I in general have no problem with offset print, but I have to admit that I grew quite fond of letterpress, especially "the night circus " was a lovely work.
But beside that it had an wonderful smelling leather beautifully bound , with gorgeous Illustrations.
I will bite in the sour apple and buy it I think, we will see.
52wcarter
The fact that it is offset print does not worry me at all as they produce beautiful books and I have ordered a deluxe edition.
53RRCBS
Is there a link for the starless sea preorder? I subscribe the their emails but I didn’t get any news on this.
54Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>51 Ragnaroek: Same here. I really want a beautiful copy of this book, so I am still going to order the deluxe edition. Just really wish they had used letterpress printing
55Praveenna_Nagaratnam
>53 RRCBS: The preorder is currently only open to those who ordered a lettered or deluxe copy of The Night Circus. The public preorders will be on Sept 30th
56Ragnaroek
I hope the next publication will be 'Dracula', 😂 I miss on an beautiful copy of this book and the second Hand Amaranthine prices are just dumb.
Somewhere 2025 should come 'Life of Pi' if I remember correctly.
Somewhere 2025 should come 'Life of Pi' if I remember correctly.
57SF-72
>55 Praveenna_Nagaratnam:
Thank you. I wondered, too, since I didn't get any email, but then I ordered a collector's edition of Night Circus, not the higher levels.
Thank you. I wondered, too, since I didn't get any email, but then I ordered a collector's edition of Night Circus, not the higher levels.
58Books-Illustrated
Hello Everyone,
I know that many publishers do not always respond to tricky questions but I think some very valid points have be made. I would like to give you the reasons why The Starless Sea is being published as we have announced.
The first point is we are very pro letterpress and have titles planned that will be printed this way. However, we get more emails from people who really want a finely bound signed book that is beautifully illustrated but they are finding that the costs are too hard for them to bear in these current times. We opened the Pre-order for The Night Circus on 17 January 2022. General inflation since then has been between 6-7% annually and in our industry many costs have also increased greatly. So we decided to assist people the best way we can by keeping prices affordable, but still produce a stunning edition we can be proud of. Printing letterpress is about 8-10% of the costs and as we have published many fine litho limited editions in the past we decided this one would be litho. We also are offering people the chance to purchase a securing voucher so as to spread out the cost.
Businesses have to take customers concerns seriously and make the best decisions they can. I know that this may not suit your particular view but we are like most publishers that publish letterpress and Litho.
Best regards to all you book lovers; we love being part of this wonderful business full of passionate beliefs.
Mike
Please feel free to ask me any questions and I will do my best to answer them, however we are thankfully very busy at the moment!
I know that many publishers do not always respond to tricky questions but I think some very valid points have be made. I would like to give you the reasons why The Starless Sea is being published as we have announced.
The first point is we are very pro letterpress and have titles planned that will be printed this way. However, we get more emails from people who really want a finely bound signed book that is beautifully illustrated but they are finding that the costs are too hard for them to bear in these current times. We opened the Pre-order for The Night Circus on 17 January 2022. General inflation since then has been between 6-7% annually and in our industry many costs have also increased greatly. So we decided to assist people the best way we can by keeping prices affordable, but still produce a stunning edition we can be proud of. Printing letterpress is about 8-10% of the costs and as we have published many fine litho limited editions in the past we decided this one would be litho. We also are offering people the chance to purchase a securing voucher so as to spread out the cost.
Businesses have to take customers concerns seriously and make the best decisions they can. I know that this may not suit your particular view but we are like most publishers that publish letterpress and Litho.
Best regards to all you book lovers; we love being part of this wonderful business full of passionate beliefs.
Mike
Please feel free to ask me any questions and I will do my best to answer them, however we are thankfully very busy at the moment!
59SF-72
>58 Books-Illustrated:
Thank you for the explanations. To me it makes complete sense. I look forward to (hopefully) buying the Collectors Edition to match my Night Circus.
Thank you for the explanations. To me it makes complete sense. I look forward to (hopefully) buying the Collectors Edition to match my Night Circus.
60Ragnaroek
Offset printing is right after letterpress printing, so I can live with that. I just want to have an gorgeous and lovely smelling leather 😍😊
How is the technique called Ludlow uses for most of his books ? I dont know how to describe it tbh.
But the Deluxe Warhorse and Night Circus used an different kind of binding.
The Night Circus had the handbands neatly hidden with the spine.
Warhorse had it well visible... I hope someone gets what I mean 🤣😂
Don't know how to post pictures
How is the technique called Ludlow uses for most of his books ? I dont know how to describe it tbh.
But the Deluxe Warhorse and Night Circus used an different kind of binding.
The Night Circus had the handbands neatly hidden with the spine.
Warhorse had it well visible... I hope someone gets what I mean 🤣😂
Don't know how to post pictures
62Ragnaroek
>61 RRCBS:
The standard Hardback Edition with an Dustwrapper is 95£
If it has sewn pages and maybe is bound in some not so expensive cloth , this is an good thing
The standard Hardback Edition with an Dustwrapper is 95£
If it has sewn pages and maybe is bound in some not so expensive cloth , this is an good thing
63amysisson
Starless Sea is going to be gorgeous! I'm happy to be able to get a matched number for Night Circus.
64BookMercenary
Inkheart is soon on its way.
Not sure it include only the standard state or standard and deluxe, though.
Iam happy and hope they do the whole trilogy. (A fourth book has joined this year , though )
>63 amysisson:
I opt out, because its not letterpress printed, but has the same price as Night Circus.
Yes, there is an explanation above somewhere , but people who weren't able to afford such an Book before, are not able now aswell... it has the exact same price ... I would have understand this, if it had been cheaper, but yes...
Someone that can afford an 300-700£ book wouldn't say no to a letterpress printed version for some money more I bet.
Not sure it include only the standard state or standard and deluxe, though.
Iam happy and hope they do the whole trilogy. (A fourth book has joined this year , though )
>63 amysisson:
I opt out, because its not letterpress printed, but has the same price as Night Circus.
Yes, there is an explanation above somewhere , but people who weren't able to afford such an Book before, are not able now aswell... it has the exact same price ... I would have understand this, if it had been cheaper, but yes...
Someone that can afford an 300-700£ book wouldn't say no to a letterpress printed version for some money more I bet.
65RRCBS
>64 BookMercenary: Have you read the book as an adult? It looks well made and I generally enjoy well done YA books, but have hesitated on this one due to some mixed reviews…
67Books-Illustrated
Next week we will be visiting Ludlow Bookbinders and it will be great to see the INKHEART books as they are nearly ready for dispatch. I know you are as excited as we are to get them in your hands. It is a privilege to be able to publish the books we love. Not really like work at all... :)
68Libri_mea_vita_sunt
>67 Books-Illustrated:
All states of Inkheart are going to get dispatched ?
Iam very excited for my copy.
I hope there will be the whole trilogy published one day 😊
All states of Inkheart are going to get dispatched ?
Iam very excited for my copy.
I hope there will be the whole trilogy published one day 😊
69Books-Illustrated
Good news, the INKHEART Collectors Edition will be ready this Friday and so we will start couriering them early next week. I should have a few of them at the PBFA London Book Fair that we will be attending this coming Saturday, 2 Dec. I hope I get to meet some of you there:
London Christmas Book Fair
Holiday Inn London - Bloomsbury
Coram Street, London, WC1N 1HT
£2 entry 10am-4pm
London Christmas Book Fair
Holiday Inn London - Bloomsbury
Coram Street, London, WC1N 1HT
£2 entry 10am-4pm