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Mar 22, 2008, 8:03pm

This is the first group I've joined on LibraryThing. I am a Lutheran Pastor currently serving as Associate Priest at Trinity Episcopal Church in San Francisco. My goal is to be received as a priest of the Episcopal Church sometime in the near future. In a previous lifetime I was responsible for the liturgical program at Saint Francis Lutheran Church in San Francisco.

Now I shall just watch and see what the group is talking about.


Mar 25, 2008, 10:53am

Well, welcome to LT. I've been on here now about 15 months.

We haven't had a welcome topic in this group which has grown kind of dormant.

My wife and I are Episcopalians and we just went through the onslaught of Holy Week and Easter:

Wed - Tenebrae
Thurs - Maundy Thursday agape meal and liturgy
Fri - Good Friday - solemn collects (we sought out a parish which was not doing 'Stations' due to her MS).
Sat Easter Vigil, I was lector tor the Ezekiel reading.
Sun Easter Day.

We are split between a Manhattan parish and a Long Island parish, but we only did Easter vigil in Manhattan. Good Friday was done about 40 miles away in a beautiful parish (and friendly) further east on Long Island, which we had never been to before. My wife and I have a history of doing Good Friday elsewhere -- this started when I was collecting and editing information on the history of the Diocese of Michigan Through the Years: a history.

Mar 29, 2008, 1:56pm

Thanks for the note. Yes, I am relaxing after a busy Holy Week, but I always enjoy the labor. Our interim rector had to be at the House of Bishops, so his comment to me was, "Michael, Holy Week is yours!" We did not do a vigil this year, so I attended the vigil at St. Gregory of Nyssa. There's a review on my web site ( that might interest you.


Mar 29, 2008, 11:55pm

I took a look at your website. I've never been to a service with so much mixture, but I did go to an OCA parish in Detroit for Easter vigil in the early 1980's, which turned out to be quite an experience. Some highlights from this:
The reverencing of the casket of Jesus while the church was dark.
Doing the procession around the parish several times with pussywillows while the parish interior was being flowered and lighted up.
The short liturgy at the door to the church celebrating the new light of Easter, during which a neon light over the door was turned on composed of the words "Christ is Risen" in Russian. (Do other Russian Orthodox churches do this?)
The extremely lengthy chanting of the phrase in Russian "Christ is Rise" in Russian with the priests, deacon, and small choir in procession. After the 15th time, I was beginning to get bored, but around the 30th time, my mood changed and I began to look forward to the procession passing near my pew, as there was a sense of celebration I hadn't heard elsewhere.
After the liturgy in the parish hall, every family had brought a traditional Easter basket filled with the requisite 12 meal items that was to be put on the Easter table later that day (the feast wouldn't be eaten until after they had attended a matins (maybe really lauds) service after the sun was up and shining.

Out 20, 2017, 7:01pm

I appreciate your sharing of your Russian Orthodox visit, and hope it encourages others to visit new or distant churches.

Abr 3, 2018, 1:45am

Pleased to meet you. I am also an Episcopalian living in San Diego. My background is Pentecostal and Charismatic so I haven't had any luck with the Episcopal Church recognizing my ordination.

Editado: Abr 3, 2018, 4:25am

>6 revadavidparker:

Welcome, David. I find that an interesting turn of phrase, "I haven't had any luck with the Episcopal Church recognizing my ordination". Do you mean you are already ordained in another denomination and the Episcopal Church will not recognise that, or do you mean that the church will not accept you as a candidate for ordination in the first place? I hope that's not too personal a question, and feel free not to give any details.

Abr 3, 2018, 10:08am

No worries. Yes, I meant that I came into the Episcopal Church as an ordained pastor already but because I am not currently in "apostolic succession" they do not consider me a priest. Does that clarify things for you?

P.S., you can call me Abe.

Abr 3, 2018, 10:12am

>8 revadavidparker:

Thanks, Abe. Yes, that's clear. Some denominations seem to recognise the ordination of others, some don't. I'm a Catholic, and my church insisted that ordained Anglican priests should be re-ordained, although the requirement of celibacy was dropped for them. I hope your luck improves!

Abr 3, 2018, 11:59am

Perhaps it will. However, like the apostle Paul I must preach even when the other apostles might disagree with me, ha!

Maio 21, 2018, 12:40am

I have a friend who was ordained Old Catholic, but could not get acccepted in the Episcopal Church as a priest. He now has a special ministry among homeless in New York and shepherds a weekly eucharist in a park, where other ordained clergy participate including regular Episcopal priests. He has reaffirmed his Old Catholic roots.

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