Historical fiction with a romantic storyline?
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1mfbjork Primeira Mensagem
I'm interested in finding intelligent historical fiction with a romantic storyline. I'm a huge fan of Cold Mountain, Enemy Women, etc. -- and I refuse to buy anything with a bodice-ripper of a cover.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
2princessgarnet
Anya Seton's Katherine is a well written novel. The reissue contains a forward by Philippa Gregory.
3Xenalyte
Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series.
Stellar books, with great likeable characters, excellent dialogue and dialect, wonderful eye for detail, and a helluva plot.
I wish I had more hands so I could give 'em four thumbs up!
Stellar books, with great likeable characters, excellent dialogue and dialect, wonderful eye for detail, and a helluva plot.
I wish I had more hands so I could give 'em four thumbs up!
4kfl1227
I enthusiastically second both of these suggestions! Katherine is such a good starting point if you're at all interested in the War of the Roses and the Tudor dynasty. The Outlander series can sound a little flaky when you describe it ("Well, it's about this lady, and she travels back in time and meets this Scottish warrior type named Jamie..."), but it is truly wonderful reading, and as a bonus, you also learn a lot!
5aarti
Georgette Heyer is excellent, cozy reading fun!
7pmpayne
Another good read for historical fiction is Sarah Donati's Into the Wilderness. That is the first of her series of 4 or 5 books.
8starfishpaws
I loved Howard Bahr's Black Flower. It's set during the Civil War and while I would never call it a "romance", it certainly has a romantic storyline. I enjoyed it even more than Cold Mountain.
9Trinity
I would also recommend The Winthrop Woman by Anya Seton. I just finished a few weeks ago and it was a very good book.
10lington
I am personally enamored of Tudor England, so I would recommend Philippa Gregory. Readers of "bodice-rippers" tend to say that her books are too focused on their historical backdrop... in other words, it's just the sort of book a fan of historical fiction with a desire for a little romance in the plot might enjoy. Hopefully that's helpful.
11carmelsf
I recommend "The Pillars of the Earth" by Ken Follett. It was riveting! Everything's there - drama, action, politics, religion, history, sex, romance. It's an epic novel with some memorable characters. It's one of my favorites.
12Morphidae
Personally, I found Pillars of Earth horrendously boring and only got about 50 pages in before giving up.
However, I have to agree that Philippa Gregory is divine.
However, I have to agree that Philippa Gregory is divine.
13carmelsf
RE: message 12.
I thought it was boring too at first and didn't pick it up again until several months later. After a bit of patient persistence, the story unfolded itself until I was hooked.
I thought it was boring too at first and didn't pick it up again until several months later. After a bit of patient persistence, the story unfolded itself until I was hooked.
14aarti
I didn't really like The Pillars of the Earth, either- though I did read all 1,000 pages of it! I guess I can't say that I disliked it- just that it didn't hit me one as being a great novel by any means. Follett is writing a sequel to the novel, in case anyone cared. I personally thought there were little historical inaccuracies that annoyed me too much.
But then I also would describe Phillippa Gregory as being more in the "bodice-ripper" part of historical fiction than in the serious type. Though I don't really have any basis for that- I've only ever read The Other Boleyn Girl and was kind of surprised at some of the implications it made. I think she makes similar historically inaccurate (at least, from what I know) assumptions in her other books, too.
Historical romance, along with my beloved Georgette Heyer- I would probably recommend Elizabeth Chadwick. I like her a lot.
But then I also would describe Phillippa Gregory as being more in the "bodice-ripper" part of historical fiction than in the serious type. Though I don't really have any basis for that- I've only ever read The Other Boleyn Girl and was kind of surprised at some of the implications it made. I think she makes similar historically inaccurate (at least, from what I know) assumptions in her other books, too.
Historical romance, along with my beloved Georgette Heyer- I would probably recommend Elizabeth Chadwick. I like her a lot.
15parelle
I borrowed The Constant Princess from the library, but it was... okay. Something rubbed me a bit wrong, though I wasn't familiar enough with the period to determine the truth of it.
16carmelsf
Isn't the point of historical fiction the classification that it is..."fiction?" I think if inaccuracies are to be disputed, then referring to more rigorous and scholarly academic works (with documented evidence, annotations, etc) would be a better option.
I think one can be an academician-turned-storyteller but not really the other way around. Of course, I can be wrong.
Just a comment. I personally read historical fiction to be entertained and to have a glimpse of what the past as portrayed in the story was like, not to "study" it.
I think one can be an academician-turned-storyteller but not really the other way around. Of course, I can be wrong.
Just a comment. I personally read historical fiction to be entertained and to have a glimpse of what the past as portrayed in the story was like, not to "study" it.
17xavierroy Primeira Mensagem
Try any of Thomas Costain's works. As someone recommended earlier, The Pillars of the Earth is another good one. I recall reading somewhere that there might be a sequel to it...
18aarti
carmelsf, I read historical fiction to be entertained, too, but I think it's important that the author try to be accurate to the period. Otherwise ... why set the book in the past? Why not just do it in the present-day? At least that's the way I look at it. Also, I like historical fiction for its "immersion value"- meaning, I usually read about periods that I am at least passingly familiar with, to gain more of an understanding about how life was. Rather than always reading the non-fiction books about the times.
But, as always, different strokes for different folks!
But, as always, different strokes for different folks!
19zinlizzie
Anything by Roberta Gellis although her books are best read in publication order.
20FicusFan
I agree with Anya Seton and Diana Gabaldon as excellent non-bodice ripper authors.
I found Philippa Gregory to be a bodice ripper who masquerades as a non-bodice ripper. I can't imagine that anyone thinks she has too many details.
If you do like her there is another writer who has 4 books set in different ancient historical settings with a man and women who end up time traveling. They become different people in each setting, and have lots of adventures and end up finding each other. J. Suzanne Frank or Suzanne Frank the first is Reflections in the Nile. Very light and fluffy.
Also M.M. Kaye who wrote The Far Pavilions which has lots of adventure, detail and a central romance.
21Tarkeel
Jan Guillou's Knight Templar trilogy has a strong romantic subplot. It certainly isn't a bodice ripper though, and the romance is only a part of the overall plot and storyline.
22cjlib
de-lurk..
I was just lurking here. And as my name states I love romance. I love historical fiction also. I say Anya Seton's Katherine is a good choice. Georgette Heyer is also excellent. Isolde Martyn also has lots of history (Wars of the Roses) in her novels, but she did win a RITA so may be too romantic for some. I don't know though because many romance readers think she's too historical. I don't really believe Phillipa Gregory's novels should be called bodice rippers. Although she does focus on the darker less desirable attributes of her fictional characters. But actually I don't believe I've read even one of her books where a woman was forced to have sex against her will, which is where the term "bodice ripper" came from btw. Okay leaving now...
re-lurk.
I was just lurking here. And as my name states I love romance. I love historical fiction also. I say Anya Seton's Katherine is a good choice. Georgette Heyer is also excellent. Isolde Martyn also has lots of history (Wars of the Roses) in her novels, but she did win a RITA so may be too romantic for some. I don't know though because many romance readers think she's too historical. I don't really believe Phillipa Gregory's novels should be called bodice rippers. Although she does focus on the darker less desirable attributes of her fictional characters. But actually I don't believe I've read even one of her books where a woman was forced to have sex against her will, which is where the term "bodice ripper" came from btw. Okay leaving now...
re-lurk.
23boswellbaxter
I haven't liked that many of Philippa Gregory's novels, but I'd recommend her latest, The Boleyn Inheritance. I certainly wouldn't call it a bodice-ripper; there's not all that much sex in it. (But if you're looking for a romantic storyline, it might not suit, as the only love affair in it ends disastrously.)
Some of Sharon Penman's books have romantic subplots, but they're very much secondary to the historical aspect of the novels.
Some of Sharon Penman's books have romantic subplots, but they're very much secondary to the historical aspect of the novels.
24Storeetllr
Hi, RL ~ I was happy to see your post. Please feel free to lurk or de-lurk here as it suits you! Just wanted to say I agree with you about calling Gregory's novels bodice rippers, though I have only read one and a half. There was sex, of course, but I don't remember one ripped bodice (or anything else) (except heads from necks and such) anywhere in the ones I read (The Other Boleyn Girl and Constant Princess).
Hi, Boswell ~ I agree, Sharon Kay Penman's historical fiction is awesome! My favorite ~ well, all of them are my favorites, but I have a special place in the library of my heart for The Sunne in Splendour as it was my first Penman historical. I've read all her historical mysteries too but am not as blown away by them as by the non-mysteries.
Hi, Boswell ~ I agree, Sharon Kay Penman's historical fiction is awesome! My favorite ~ well, all of them are my favorites, but I have a special place in the library of my heart for The Sunne in Splendour as it was my first Penman historical. I've read all her historical mysteries too but am not as blown away by them as by the non-mysteries.
25cjlib
thanks storee.
I added The Sunne in Splendour to my TBR pile I haven't read as much historical fiction as I have romance so it's good to get recommendations (even by just lurking here) :)
boswell- I don't think I've read a Gregory novel that had a happy ending. They all seem to be about people that are led about by their passions and weaknesses and therefore do not deserve to be happy. Sad really and not very romantic.
I added The Sunne in Splendour to my TBR pile I haven't read as much historical fiction as I have romance so it's good to get recommendations (even by just lurking here) :)
boswell- I don't think I've read a Gregory novel that had a happy ending. They all seem to be about people that are led about by their passions and weaknesses and therefore do not deserve to be happy. Sad really and not very romantic.
26Storeetllr
Well, while I was on vacation in Tennessee over the holidays (visiting my daughter there), I happened into a used book store in Asheville and found the Wales trilogy by Penman and bought it as a belated Christmas present to myself. I'm now reading the first ~ Here Be Dragons ~ which it turns out I hadn't already read. The others ~ The Reckoning and Falls the Shadow ~ I think I read before but intend to read again.
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28plangguth Primeira Mensagem
Hi all. I'm new to this site and have enjoyed reading all of the comments. I love Sharon Kay Penman. I read The Sunne in Splendour first but I really got into Here Be Dragons.
For anyone who's interested, I found a site a few years ago, lost it and recently found it again that has a story about Pen Y Bryn, The Prince's Tower. It is the lost palace of the Princes Llewelyn. It's listed on Wales' equivalent of the National Register of Historic Buildings. Sharon Kay Penman and Ellis Peters are both mentioned and it's a major piece of Welsh history. The Royal Commission of Ancient Monuments said it is the most important site to be discovered in Wales in this century (20th, since the copyright on the site is 1998. Go to www.castlewales.com/pen.html. There's a story behind the couple who stumbled on it.
Paulette
For anyone who's interested, I found a site a few years ago, lost it and recently found it again that has a story about Pen Y Bryn, The Prince's Tower. It is the lost palace of the Princes Llewelyn. It's listed on Wales' equivalent of the National Register of Historic Buildings. Sharon Kay Penman and Ellis Peters are both mentioned and it's a major piece of Welsh history. The Royal Commission of Ancient Monuments said it is the most important site to be discovered in Wales in this century (20th, since the copyright on the site is 1998. Go to www.castlewales.com/pen.html. There's a story behind the couple who stumbled on it.
Paulette
29margad
And speaking of Ellis Peters, she wrote some wonderful non-mystery historical novels using her real name, Edith Pargeter. The Heaven Tree Trilogy is much, much more than a romance, but the plot hinges on a doomed and deeply romantic love story.
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31webgeekstress
Count me in as another fan of both Georgette Heyer and Diana Gabaldon. There are several books by both that I've read multiple times.
32knittingfreak
If you haven't already tried it, Gap Creek is a really good historical romance. Brave Enemies is another book by Robert Morgan set during the Revolutionary War. There are some classics such as House of Mirth; Mill on the Floss, Mary Barton that I really like. On the Occasion of my last afternoon by Kaye Gibbons is also good. For something from different cultures, you may want to try Spring Moon, Nectar in a Sieve or Snow Flower and the Secret Fan.
33eloisamoj Primeira Mensagem
Well, I´m new here too,and I don´t know what is "bodice-ripper" but I´m fond of historical romance (and only with happy ends) so will try some of my favorite books:
North and south by Elizabeth Gaskel , All by Jane austin but rather pride and prejudice.And Litlle women by Louisa May Alcott ...
Especifically Messenger of love by Barbara Cartland (I know, Iknow...but I REALLY LIKED that one), Georgina by Clare Darcy.
And I like Jude Deverox and Candace Camp and "When the love awaits by Johanna Lindsey(I read and read that one!)"verry much, but it have a lot of sex...
North and south by Elizabeth Gaskel , All by Jane austin but rather pride and prejudice.And Litlle women by Louisa May Alcott ...
Especifically Messenger of love by Barbara Cartland (I know, Iknow...but I REALLY LIKED that one), Georgina by Clare Darcy.
And I like Jude Deverox and Candace Camp and "When the love awaits by Johanna Lindsey(I read and read that one!)"verry much, but it have a lot of sex...
34Absurda
You might try the Charlotte and Thomas Pitt series by Anne Perry. These are primarily murder mysteries set in Victorian London, but there's a lot of time spent on the relationship between Charlotte and Thomas (as well as romances between other characters) and I think the author does a great job on the time period.
I would also second anything by Jane Austen, Sense and Sensibility in addition to P&P.
I've heard great things about Secret History of the Pink Carnation by Lauren Willig, but it's still in my to be read pile so I can't comment much more than that. Has anyone read it?
Regarding historical inaccuracies: I'm okay with bending reality a bit if it furthers the plot and makes sense, since it is fiction. But when authors get the details that have no connection to the plot at all wrong (such as a 13th century English peasent eating with a knife and fork) it drives me nuts. Seems to show a general lack of research and knowledge about the time period.
I would also second anything by Jane Austen, Sense and Sensibility in addition to P&P.
I've heard great things about Secret History of the Pink Carnation by Lauren Willig, but it's still in my to be read pile so I can't comment much more than that. Has anyone read it?
Regarding historical inaccuracies: I'm okay with bending reality a bit if it furthers the plot and makes sense, since it is fiction. But when authors get the details that have no connection to the plot at all wrong (such as a 13th century English peasent eating with a knife and fork) it drives me nuts. Seems to show a general lack of research and knowledge about the time period.
35princessgarnet
I borrowed Secret History of the Pink Carnation from the library. It was a fun read but don't expect your usual Regency/Napoleonic era novel.
36fatpossum Primeira Mensagem
Historical fiction with a touch of romance is my favorite type of reading. Here are my suggestions:
Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon, mentioned in these posts already several times and for good reason!
Alice's Tulips by Sandra Dallas
The Diary of Mattie Spenser, also by Sandra Dallas
Alice's Tulips takes place during the Civil War, while a young bride awaits her husband's return
The Diary of Mattie Spenser is about a young couple pioneering on the Colorado frontier - this is
not category romance material, it's pretty gritty, excellent historical fiction
The Red Tent by Anita Diamant
Based on the story of Dinah in the Old Testament - lots of rich imagery in her writing -you feel like you're there in the story, with the sand, the fragrances, the cloth, the goats bleating. Passion, betrayal, lust and love. Great storytelling.
Mrs. Mike by Benedict & Nancy Freedman
A young girl meets and falls in love with a Mountie in Canada. Based on a true story. Again, not category romance; life is hard in the wilderness. Good story, passion, romance, tenderness, adventure, tragedy, love.
Tisha, by Anne Hobbes
Similar to Mrs. Mike, and this will probably be in the nonfiction area of your library. A young white woman agrees to be a schoolteacher in a remote village in Alaska and falls in love with a half-breed Indian man, which results in her being ostracized by the community. This book shares many similarities to Mrs. Mike. Passion, adventure, hardship. An exciting read.
These Happy Golden Years, by Laura Ingalls Wilder
I know you think this is a book for children, but if you haven't read since you were a kid, read it again.
Oh my goodness, the courtship of Laura and Almanzo is so lovely and romantic it will bring tears to your eyes. Actually you could start with Little Town on the Prairie when Almanzo first notices Laura and starts to court her. She is much younger and confused by his attention. Remember, these books weren't just the basis of a sort of sappy TV show, they were based on the memories of a real person who grew up in a pioneer family.
High Hearts, by Rita Mae Brown
This is the "classic" Civil War Story - a young woman disguises herself as a man in order to follow her lover into the army and fight in the Civil War.
This is an exciting story, although the ending left me feeling unsatisfied.
Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon, mentioned in these posts already several times and for good reason!
Alice's Tulips by Sandra Dallas
The Diary of Mattie Spenser, also by Sandra Dallas
Alice's Tulips takes place during the Civil War, while a young bride awaits her husband's return
The Diary of Mattie Spenser is about a young couple pioneering on the Colorado frontier - this is
not category romance material, it's pretty gritty, excellent historical fiction
The Red Tent by Anita Diamant
Based on the story of Dinah in the Old Testament - lots of rich imagery in her writing -you feel like you're there in the story, with the sand, the fragrances, the cloth, the goats bleating. Passion, betrayal, lust and love. Great storytelling.
Mrs. Mike by Benedict & Nancy Freedman
A young girl meets and falls in love with a Mountie in Canada. Based on a true story. Again, not category romance; life is hard in the wilderness. Good story, passion, romance, tenderness, adventure, tragedy, love.
Tisha, by Anne Hobbes
Similar to Mrs. Mike, and this will probably be in the nonfiction area of your library. A young white woman agrees to be a schoolteacher in a remote village in Alaska and falls in love with a half-breed Indian man, which results in her being ostracized by the community. This book shares many similarities to Mrs. Mike. Passion, adventure, hardship. An exciting read.
These Happy Golden Years, by Laura Ingalls Wilder
I know you think this is a book for children, but if you haven't read since you were a kid, read it again.
Oh my goodness, the courtship of Laura and Almanzo is so lovely and romantic it will bring tears to your eyes. Actually you could start with Little Town on the Prairie when Almanzo first notices Laura and starts to court her. She is much younger and confused by his attention. Remember, these books weren't just the basis of a sort of sappy TV show, they were based on the memories of a real person who grew up in a pioneer family.
High Hearts, by Rita Mae Brown
This is the "classic" Civil War Story - a young woman disguises herself as a man in order to follow her lover into the army and fight in the Civil War.
This is an exciting story, although the ending left me feeling unsatisfied.
37germaine
If your a fan of the tudor court you might like to try an author by the name of C J SANSON he's written three set in and around the court and they are brilliant reads
38AmandaB18 Primeira Mensagem
I too like reading smart historical fiction with a love story mixed in. And I agree with the suggestions for Outlander Series and The Other Boleyn Girl.
I have to recommend The Bronze Horseman by Paullina Simons. This book was amazing and is tied with Outlander for my favorite. It begins in WWII Russia and is centered around one of the most beautiful love stories i have ever read.
I will also recommend a series written by Sharon Kay Penman that begins with Here Be Dragons.
I have to recommend The Bronze Horseman by Paullina Simons. This book was amazing and is tied with Outlander for my favorite. It begins in WWII Russia and is centered around one of the most beautiful love stories i have ever read.
I will also recommend a series written by Sharon Kay Penman that begins with Here Be Dragons.
39Kell_Smurthwaite
I adore the Tudor period and have loved almost all of the novels I've read by Philippa Gregory (the ones not set during that period haven't appealed quite so much - I really didn't enjoy The Wise Woman at all!)
The ones I really did enjoy were:
The Other Boleyn Girl
The Queen's Fool
The Constant Princess
The Boleyn Inheritance
I also rather enjoyed Her Rightful inheritance by Benita Brown. I'm not usually into romances per se, but being from the Newcastle area myself, I recognised many of the places mentioned in the book and the romance wasn't overly soppy as it sometimes is in romantic fiction. Her characters were gritty and down-to-earth.
The ones I really did enjoy were:
The Other Boleyn Girl
The Queen's Fool
The Constant Princess
The Boleyn Inheritance
I also rather enjoyed Her Rightful inheritance by Benita Brown. I'm not usually into romances per se, but being from the Newcastle area myself, I recognised many of the places mentioned in the book and the romance wasn't overly soppy as it sometimes is in romantic fiction. Her characters were gritty and down-to-earth.
40jhaagens
I recently read a series I enjoyed, by Posie Graeme-Evans, about King Edward IV and a woman written to be his mistress and the love of his life... The Innocent, The Exiled, and The Uncrowned Queen are their titles, I think...
41germaine
Hi
Why not try these two authors Elizabeth Chadwick her novels are very good I have just finished the two about William Marshall.Titled The Greatest Knight of The Scarlet Lion.
The second author is CJ SANSOM.
Why not try these two authors Elizabeth Chadwick her novels are very good I have just finished the two about William Marshall.Titled The Greatest Knight of The Scarlet Lion.
The second author is CJ SANSOM.
42tanzanite Primeira Mensagem
I loved The Greatest Knight and can't wait to read The Scarlet Lion. I keep joking that I am seriously in love with William Marshall after reading that book!
43Kell_Smurthwaite
I recently read The Tea Rose by Jennifer Donnelly. It's set during the Victorian era (while Jack the Ripper is terrorising London - in fact, he plays an integral role in the plot), both in London and New York and has a romantic storyline throughout, although it never gets gushy. The characters are gritty and well-drawn, and the plot is gripping. It's just shy of 800 pages and I literally couldn't put it down - I was finished within two days!
44Caramellunacy
I really haven't been fond of any of the Philippa Gregory novels I've read. I especially had trouble with The Virgin Queen - I couldn't deal with Elizabeth being so clingy and dependent on Robert that she couldn't do anything without his approval. It was hard for me to square that with the Queen who spoke to her troops before battle and...
Anyway, it just didn't work for me, but I do think they are very well written.
Anyway, it just didn't work for me, but I do think they are very well written.
45hotelechozulu Primeira Mensagem
Try Through a Glass Darkly by Karleen Koen. The prequel, Dark Angels, is good too. 18th century England and France during the South Sea Bubble. Total costume drama.
Now Face to Face (the sequel to Through a Glass Darkly), is out of print, and selling for about $50 on amazon, just to show you the devotion of the fans.
Now Face to Face (the sequel to Through a Glass Darkly), is out of print, and selling for about $50 on amazon, just to show you the devotion of the fans.
46AmandaB18
#45
I just finished Through A Glass Darkly and i really enjoyed it!
I went to go order the sequel and saw how expensive it was, i guess i will have to wait to find a cheap copy on ebay or something.
I have ordered the prequel however and cant wait to read it!
I just finished Through A Glass Darkly and i really enjoyed it!
I went to go order the sequel and saw how expensive it was, i guess i will have to wait to find a cheap copy on ebay or something.
I have ordered the prequel however and cant wait to read it!
47AmandaB18
#43
I can also vouch for The Tea Rose. It was a real page turner.
I can also vouch for The Tea Rose. It was a real page turner.
48infogal
Although you might find her in the ROMANCE section of a bookstore or library, I highly recommend the contemporary author, LaVyrle Spencer. I read all of her novels and enjoyed each for the author's engaging characters and attention to historical detail.
You might start with the following:
November of the Heart Set in a 19th/early 20th Minnesota lakeside community, this novel features fascinating information about the boat-building trade
That Camden Summer Set in rural Maine, around the turn of the last century, I believe this story features a rural traveling nurse; I remember learning a lot about rural healthcare
Then Came Heaven Set in the 1950's/1960's this novel captures the experience of joining a Catholic religious order in the pre-Vatican II midwest
You might start with the following:
November of the Heart Set in a 19th/early 20th Minnesota lakeside community, this novel features fascinating information about the boat-building trade
That Camden Summer Set in rural Maine, around the turn of the last century, I believe this story features a rural traveling nurse; I remember learning a lot about rural healthcare
Then Came Heaven Set in the 1950's/1960's this novel captures the experience of joining a Catholic religious order in the pre-Vatican II midwest
49hotelechozulu
And don't forget Morning Glory by Lavyrle Spencer. One of my favorite romance novels of all time. A love story of an ex-con and a hermit widow, set during the Depression/WWII.
50Jim53
Newbie here, I checked into this category because I'm a big Guy Kay fan. While he's written some Tolkienesque fantasies (Fionavar Tapestry), he's also done some fabulous historical fantasies, and the fantasy element is minimal. The best written is prolly The Lions of al-Rassan, which has Christian, Moorish, and Jewish characters and is set during the Spanish reconquista. His two Sarantium books Sailing to Sarantium and Lord of Emperors, set in declining Byzantium, are fantastic as well.
51thebzeone Primeira Mensagem
Absolutely my all time favorite book series. The first installment, Outlander, is absolutely the best book I have ever read....so real. I know all the characters and love them like family. I don't know what I'm going to do if Jamie and/or Claire ever die!!!!!!
52AmandaB18
I just received Hummingbird and Years by Lavyrle Spencer from bookmooch. I have never read anything by her yet, can't wait to start!
thebzeone - I know EXACTLY how you feel. While I can't wait for the last book, I also don't want it to end!
thebzeone - I know EXACTLY how you feel. While I can't wait for the last book, I also don't want it to end!
53jacigwyn Primeira Mensagem
One could not do better than to turn to the saga writers of the UK. There are so many good authors to choose from here. Such as Iris gower, Catrin Collier, Grace Thompson, Gwen Madoc, Pamela Evans, June Francis, Dilly Court - just to name a fraction of authors on choice.
For US readers this is a great untapped source of reading pleasure.
These sagas deal with relationships as well as the drama of human experience. Well worth a read.
For US readers this is a great untapped source of reading pleasure.
These sagas deal with relationships as well as the drama of human experience. Well worth a read.
54Unreachableshelf
>34 Absurda:
Lauren Willig's Pink series is a weird combination of historical fiction, romance, adventure, and modern chick-lit. It takes place in an A/U universe from Baroness Orczy's Scarlet Pimpernel series, one in which Percy kept spying for England after the Reign of Terror was over until his identity became public knowledge, and in which he was followed by The Purple Gentian, who was in time also unmasked and followed by The Pink Carnation, whose identity was never discovered. The modern bits deal with a graduate student working on a thesis dealing with those three.
OP, if for you the word "intelligent" has any connotations of "serious," this probably isn't what you're looking for. It is, however, great fun. I'd put it on the same literary level as The Scarlet Pimpernel books, except that Willig can remember what her characters are supposed to look like (see Chauvelin's magically changing hair color through the series- and not even changing in a logical way, like consistantly getting greyer), and her heroines are generally more likeable by modern standards.
As for the historical romantic plots, I find some of what the hero and heroine get away with in The Secret History of the Pink Carnation to be a bit unlikely for the time, but it's not like things being improper ever kept them from happening completely. The Masque of the Black Tulip and The Deception of the Emerald Ring are more believable in that respect, so I wouldn't dismiss the series on the basis of the first book.
Lauren Willig's Pink series is a weird combination of historical fiction, romance, adventure, and modern chick-lit. It takes place in an A/U universe from Baroness Orczy's Scarlet Pimpernel series, one in which Percy kept spying for England after the Reign of Terror was over until his identity became public knowledge, and in which he was followed by The Purple Gentian, who was in time also unmasked and followed by The Pink Carnation, whose identity was never discovered. The modern bits deal with a graduate student working on a thesis dealing with those three.
OP, if for you the word "intelligent" has any connotations of "serious," this probably isn't what you're looking for. It is, however, great fun. I'd put it on the same literary level as The Scarlet Pimpernel books, except that Willig can remember what her characters are supposed to look like (see Chauvelin's magically changing hair color through the series- and not even changing in a logical way, like consistantly getting greyer), and her heroines are generally more likeable by modern standards.
As for the historical romantic plots, I find some of what the hero and heroine get away with in The Secret History of the Pink Carnation to be a bit unlikely for the time, but it's not like things being improper ever kept them from happening completely. The Masque of the Black Tulip and The Deception of the Emerald Ring are more believable in that respect, so I wouldn't dismiss the series on the basis of the first book.
55margad
Yes, Through a Glass Darkly was riveting. Started a bit slowly for me, but soon picked up steam, and then kept me awake way past my bedtime several nights in a row. It's not really a romance, although the plot does include a satisfying love story. The central thread has more to do with how the protagonist balanced the demands of court life with her need for friendship and love. In order to survive in a court setting rife with intrigue, murder plots, etc., she had to learn to be cynical and manipulative, but of course, this worked against her ability to form genuine friendships. So the novel is full of strong inner conflict and a lot of suspense!
56pesserj
#50 Jim53 - I just discovered GGK and loved Sailing to Sarantium. I just picked up the Fionaver Tapestry books on Friday, and will be starting in tonight. Can't wait.
57Cariola
#45 & 46: I second the Karleen Koen suggestions. I whipped right through those babies! I picked up a hardback copy of Now Face to Face from an acquaintance who dabbles in selling used books for only $5. I told her it was going for upwards of $50, but she insisted I take it for that price plus shipping. I haven't read it yet only because I don't want the series to end!
58Cariola
A few more suggestions:
Portrait of an Unknown Woman by Vanora Bennett. It's about Sir Thomas More; the "woman" is his adopted daughter, Meg Griggs, and she has her share of romances in the course of the novel.
Girl with a Pearl Earring by Tracy Chevalier--an almost-romance.
Tulip Fever by Deborah Moggach
Fair Exchange by Michele Roberts
Birth of Venus by Sarah Dunant
Portrait of an Unknown Woman by Vanora Bennett. It's about Sir Thomas More; the "woman" is his adopted daughter, Meg Griggs, and she has her share of romances in the course of the novel.
Girl with a Pearl Earring by Tracy Chevalier--an almost-romance.
Tulip Fever by Deborah Moggach
Fair Exchange by Michele Roberts
Birth of Venus by Sarah Dunant
59Storeetllr
#50 and 56 ~ I adored The Lions of Al-Rassan. It was simply brilliant, and I quite fell in love with both Ammar and Rodrigo (I hope I got their names right; I don't have the novel in front of me). I can't wait until December when I can start reading again. I'm definitely going to pick up the Sarantium novels.
60pesserj
#59 > I can't wait until December when I can start reading again.
Hmm. December. Let me guess... NaNoWriMo. I'm trying to cram as much reading into October as I can...
Hmm. December. Let me guess... NaNoWriMo. I'm trying to cram as much reading into October as I can...
61Storeetllr
#60 Right there with you, pesserj. The anticipation is driving me 'round the bend. ;)
62vivienbrenda
Anya Seton has been mentioned several times in this list, but I have to add my vote for all her books. Katherine and Winthrop Woman, a fabulous love-story set in very early 17th century New England, were two of my all time favorites. Another oldie but goodie would be Forever Amber by Kathleen Winsor. Geraldine Brooks Year of Wonders is a well-written historical narrative of the Black Plague that ravaged Europe, and it has a love story as a backdrop.
63freerein Primeira Mensagem
I can recommend SHADES OF GRAY by Jessica James. It's a Civil War novel with a beatiful (not sex-driven) romance. I read the manuscript for the author and don't believe it's actually out yet, but it's listed on Amazon for pre-order.
65ViaLys
I don't think anyone has mentioned an old favorite of mine, Rosalind Laker. Her novels are historical fiction with strong female main characters. There was To Dance with Kings, set at Versailles, Tree of Gold, in the Lyon silk industry, Venetian Mask, Golden Tulip, Circle of Pearls, Silver Touch. She is one of the UK's most beloved historical novelists.
66tpolley Primeira Mensagem
I just finished 'Ivanhoe', and although I'm not a big romantic fan I do enjoy historical novels..loved Pillars of the Earth and reallly enjoyed Ivanhoe.
67aarti
> Message 65 - I have two of Laker's books, but haven't read them yet, though they're rated pretty highly on Amazon. Eventually :-)
68investory
any John Jakes fan? Also I enjoy Eugenia Price
69AdonisGuilfoyle
I would class Willig's book as a poor pastiche of Orczy's series, not the same literary level. I have a feeling that Willig would class Eloise as 'feisty', such is the range of modern chick lit, and the romance of Orczy's era is well and truly lost! And Orczy only had one lapse of concentration with Chauvelin, where she decides that his hair is of a non-descript blond shade!
70Unreachableshelf
>69 AdonisGuilfoyle:
I believe how grey it is goes back and forth as well, but I'm due for a reread of the original series.
I believe how grey it is goes back and forth as well, but I'm due for a reread of the original series.
71muzzie
The Victorian Mystery series by Robin Paige provides mystery, humor, light romance, and well researched historical storylines. Robin Paige is the pseudonym for the husband and wife team of Susan Wittig Albert and Bill Albert. The series is extremely well researched.
The series of twelve books include well known Winston Churchill, Guiglielmo Marconi, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Jack the Ripper. Each book takes place in a different area, allowing the reader to experience London, Cornwall, Epson Downs, and a variety of locations from a unique perspective. It was fun reading obscure facts about these historical characters.
I recommend one read the series of twelve books beginning with the first, Death at Bishop’s Keep in order. Each one can be read alone but some characters are revisited and the relationship of the main characters flows through the series beginning with a courtship leading to marriage.
It’s not hot and steamy romance but a relationship of love and friendship.
The series of twelve books include well known Winston Churchill, Guiglielmo Marconi, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Jack the Ripper. Each book takes place in a different area, allowing the reader to experience London, Cornwall, Epson Downs, and a variety of locations from a unique perspective. It was fun reading obscure facts about these historical characters.
I recommend one read the series of twelve books beginning with the first, Death at Bishop’s Keep in order. Each one can be read alone but some characters are revisited and the relationship of the main characters flows through the series beginning with a courtship leading to marriage.
It’s not hot and steamy romance but a relationship of love and friendship.
72karen_o
Geraldine Brooks has a new book out called The People of the Book, tracing the history of the Sarajevo haggadah. Very good read.
73rareflorida
Queen Margot If you claim to be a historical fiction fan then this book should be part of your library. The newest translation rates high and I expect it fits as a romance. Good history and good story, what more can you ask for? Hit wikipedia if you need some historical update.
74ladymacbeth1
I really enjoyed Roberta Gellis' first 2 books in the Roselynde series - Roselynde and Alinor. They cover the reigns of Richard I and King John. They are a nice mix of historical fiction and historical romance. There's no graphic sex although the covers would suggest otherwise. I bought a book sox so I could carry them around in public. (:
75Hollister5320
Georgette Heyer is a fabulous writer of Regency historical fiction. I love her and the romance that she includes.
77jenreidreads
I concur with Diana Gabaldon and Jennifer Donnelly. Their books are fantastic.
78uncultured
I agree with Georgette Heyer fans--but sometimes companies release her stories with oiled pecs and heaving bosoms on the cover--don't be fooled. Though she's quite witty, she has about as much sex as Jane Austen does in her works. Some of her romances also feature mysteries or espionage: The Reluctant Widow, The Talisman Ring, The Corinthian, and The Toll-Gate are all excellent, though These Old Shades is probably my favorite.
Gabaldon has a strong fantasy element--if you like that you might try Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, though some say its dead-on imitation of Austen can be a bit dull, I thought that its treatment of magic as incredibly dry and funny.
If you prefer a more...I guess decadent would be the word..type of historical fiction, The Glass Books of the Dream Eaters would fit the bill. It too has a distinct stripe of fantasy running through it, and is not actually set in a specific past, but some sort of amalgamation of 19th century London, Amsterdam, and Vienna...Dahlquist never explicity names his locale. I thought it was a bit overdone though--there were some silly action scenes and some equally silly erotic bits.
Gabaldon has a strong fantasy element--if you like that you might try Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, though some say its dead-on imitation of Austen can be a bit dull, I thought that its treatment of magic as incredibly dry and funny.
If you prefer a more...I guess decadent would be the word..type of historical fiction, The Glass Books of the Dream Eaters would fit the bill. It too has a distinct stripe of fantasy running through it, and is not actually set in a specific past, but some sort of amalgamation of 19th century London, Amsterdam, and Vienna...Dahlquist never explicity names his locale. I thought it was a bit overdone though--there were some silly action scenes and some equally silly erotic bits.
79jenreidreads
I did not care for The Glass Books of the Dream Eaters, and would not recommend it.
80atimco
I just read and reviewed The Sherwood Ring by Elizabeth Marie Pope, and it's a splendid historical fantastical romance. It's a YA book. I really enjoyed it.
81uncultured
I wasn't that big a fan of Glass Books either--it had a lot of potential, and it reminded me of the "steampunk" genre...you know, the sort of Victorian fiction where there are steam powered airplanes or men in top hats riding rocket ships...but it was vaguely fantasy too since the blue powder seemed like magic...Frankly I think he could've used a fierce editor. Country houses, conspiracies, whores and rooftop abductions, luxury hotels, foreign aristocrats...all these great elements, just too..too. There's a sequel coming out, too,but I think it's just called Glass Books of the Dream Eaters: The Sequel...I guess he couldn't think of a more florid title?
82jenreidreads
#81 — LOL!
83RachelfromSarasota
I have some oldies but goodies to recommend, particularly for those who don't need explicit sex scenes in fiction (it's not really a spectator sport, is it?).
First, Prince of Foxes by Samuel Shellabarger, and Captain from Castile by the same author. Great reads -- I reread them once every few years. Then there's Lord Vanity (also by Samuel Shellabarger and don't forget Norah Lofts -- her endings are not always happy ones, but I can highly recommend her Copsi Castle, The Wayside Tavern, and Pargeters.
For more "traditional" romances, do try Glendraco by Laura Black and some of Jane Aiken Hodges' wonderfully well-researched books. I can heartily recommend The Rebel Heiress, Watch the Wall, My Darling, and The Master of Penrose.
There are so many wonderfully written and fairly accurate historical romances out there. I myself am not fond of Phillippa Gregory, but I did enjoy some of Karlene Koen's books.
I can also heartily recommend The Devil in Velvet as a historical romantic murder mystery, by John Dickson Carr, and the absolutely wonderful Red Adam's Lady by Grace Ingram.
I wholeheartedly endorse another LTer's previous post recommending some of Roberta Gellis' earlier works. Aside from the excellent Roselynde, Alinor, Winter Song, and Fire Song, she also wrote the superb Sing Witch, Sing Death, which my daughter and I reread every year.
Then there's the classic romantic novel by Mary Johnston, To Have and To Hold -- stylistically dated, perhaps. but still a terrific read.
And don't forget Anya Seton's great Dragonwyck.
There's another series I can recommend -- the Poldark books by Winston Graham. They are not your typical "romances" but they do such a good job of transporting me back to late 18th and early 19th century Cornwall that I am actually startled when the phone rings -- it sometimes takes me a few minutes to figure out where that noise is coming from.
And one more, untraditional romance, that is chock full of well-researched atmosphere -- Jack Finney's Time And Again. His premise is absolutely fascinating (and I believe that I came very, very close to experiencing it, long ago).
For some reason LT is very slow tonight, and the Touchstones are not working well. So I'll hope this posts.
If anyone does read any of the above, I'd love to start chatting with you about these books, which are among my favorites.
First, Prince of Foxes by Samuel Shellabarger, and Captain from Castile by the same author. Great reads -- I reread them once every few years. Then there's Lord Vanity (also by Samuel Shellabarger and don't forget Norah Lofts -- her endings are not always happy ones, but I can highly recommend her Copsi Castle, The Wayside Tavern, and Pargeters.
For more "traditional" romances, do try Glendraco by Laura Black and some of Jane Aiken Hodges' wonderfully well-researched books. I can heartily recommend The Rebel Heiress, Watch the Wall, My Darling, and The Master of Penrose.
There are so many wonderfully written and fairly accurate historical romances out there. I myself am not fond of Phillippa Gregory, but I did enjoy some of Karlene Koen's books.
I can also heartily recommend The Devil in Velvet as a historical romantic murder mystery, by John Dickson Carr, and the absolutely wonderful Red Adam's Lady by Grace Ingram.
I wholeheartedly endorse another LTer's previous post recommending some of Roberta Gellis' earlier works. Aside from the excellent Roselynde, Alinor, Winter Song, and Fire Song, she also wrote the superb Sing Witch, Sing Death, which my daughter and I reread every year.
Then there's the classic romantic novel by Mary Johnston, To Have and To Hold -- stylistically dated, perhaps. but still a terrific read.
And don't forget Anya Seton's great Dragonwyck.
There's another series I can recommend -- the Poldark books by Winston Graham. They are not your typical "romances" but they do such a good job of transporting me back to late 18th and early 19th century Cornwall that I am actually startled when the phone rings -- it sometimes takes me a few minutes to figure out where that noise is coming from.
And one more, untraditional romance, that is chock full of well-researched atmosphere -- Jack Finney's Time And Again. His premise is absolutely fascinating (and I believe that I came very, very close to experiencing it, long ago).
For some reason LT is very slow tonight, and the Touchstones are not working well. So I'll hope this posts.
If anyone does read any of the above, I'd love to start chatting with you about these books, which are among my favorites.
84ludmillalotaria
#83, regarding your list:
I read several of Shellabarger's books in my youth and remember really liking them and have often thought of going back and re-reading them to see if they hold up these days. I'm also a great fan of Sabatini, primarily because I love swashbuckly adventure novels, but Captain Blood and Scaramouche are probably considered his best. As such, I thought Mary Johnston's To Have and To Hold was great fun (and I actually don't mind the stylistically dated novels). Has anyone yet mentioned Anthony Hope's The Prisoner of Zenda? It was another popular historical romance back in its day.
I read several of Shellabarger's books in my youth and remember really liking them and have often thought of going back and re-reading them to see if they hold up these days. I'm also a great fan of Sabatini, primarily because I love swashbuckly adventure novels, but Captain Blood and Scaramouche are probably considered his best. As such, I thought Mary Johnston's To Have and To Hold was great fun (and I actually don't mind the stylistically dated novels). Has anyone yet mentioned Anthony Hope's The Prisoner of Zenda? It was another popular historical romance back in its day.
85atimco
I almost picked up The Prisoner of Zenda last week. Maybe I'll start it next after I finish my current book. It looks pretty fun.
86uncultured
I've always heard Zenda mentioned as a sort of template for any number of continental swashbuckling romances--has anyone here read it or care to recommend it? I saw the movie--or the tail end of it--on TMC or one of those channels but that was a long while back. I started to read the Scarlet Pimpernel but it got nastily anti-semitic.
And I agree, it's definitely no spectator sport. If it's WELL-DONE I've no problem reading about sex, but very few authors can do it well, and often it causes the story to hit quicksand and scares the author into jettisoning every spare adjective and sexual euphemism out there. If a book is going to have sex it's better hinted at as a bedroom door closing or a flushed face or even a "the next morning..." Also, the word "loins" should be off limits. And "engorged".
I was impressed with Anya Seton's Katherine, though I wish Kathy'd had better luck...
And I agree, it's definitely no spectator sport. If it's WELL-DONE I've no problem reading about sex, but very few authors can do it well, and often it causes the story to hit quicksand and scares the author into jettisoning every spare adjective and sexual euphemism out there. If a book is going to have sex it's better hinted at as a bedroom door closing or a flushed face or even a "the next morning..." Also, the word "loins" should be off limits. And "engorged".
I was impressed with Anya Seton's Katherine, though I wish Kathy'd had better luck...
87Caramellunacy
>86 uncultured:,
I agree that very few authors write about sex well, but I really dislike 'just having the bedroom door close' if there has been any tension built up or if the scene is a turning point in any way (which it often is).
Maybe I'm just nosy, maybe I'm less picky, but if there's going to be a sex-scene, while I'd rather not be inundated with lousy euphemisms (*cough* man-root? *cough*), I still want to hear about it unless the style of the writing is 'old-fashioned' enough that it would be jarring.
To each his/her own!
I agree that very few authors write about sex well, but I really dislike 'just having the bedroom door close' if there has been any tension built up or if the scene is a turning point in any way (which it often is).
Maybe I'm just nosy, maybe I'm less picky, but if there's going to be a sex-scene, while I'd rather not be inundated with lousy euphemisms (*cough* man-root? *cough*), I still want to hear about it unless the style of the writing is 'old-fashioned' enough that it would be jarring.
To each his/her own!
88atimco
I actually read The Prisoner of Zenda in one sitting the other night, and enjoyed it a great deal. My review is up if you want to read it. I wouldn't say the storyline is necessarily romantic though. It's much more action-oriented.
89RachelfromSarasota
I'd agree with wisewoman -- I still reread The Prisoner of Zenda every year or so, but think it is more action oriented than strictly romantic. Has anyone read the sequels? I can't get hold of them, but I'd love to see if Rupert of Hentzau holds up to the original.
As for sex scenes -- I'm not totally Miss Prim and Proper -- but too many authors concentrate on describing, in the most hackneyed and overused terms out there, every single clinical detail, sometimes sugar-coating the whole thing with those ridiculous euphemisms (I too could go the rest of my life without encountering another description about a throbbing man-root!). So that although their intention may be to inflame the reader into feeling a vicarious lust, it's almost like reading a how-to textbook, instead. Dull rather than titillating. Good sex scenes, in literature, anyway, seem hard to find.
As for sex scenes -- I'm not totally Miss Prim and Proper -- but too many authors concentrate on describing, in the most hackneyed and overused terms out there, every single clinical detail, sometimes sugar-coating the whole thing with those ridiculous euphemisms (I too could go the rest of my life without encountering another description about a throbbing man-root!). So that although their intention may be to inflame the reader into feeling a vicarious lust, it's almost like reading a how-to textbook, instead. Dull rather than titillating. Good sex scenes, in literature, anyway, seem hard to find.
90northandsouth
The North and South Trilogy by John Jakes is a fantastic romantic series. I also second the Into the Wilderness recommendation.
91Catgwinn
Three classic historical romance titles:
"Doctor Zhivago" by Boris Pasternak
"Anna Karinina" by Leo Tolstoy
"Lorna Doone" by R.D. Blackmore
Also: "At the Going Down of the Sun"
by Elizabeth Darrell
"Doctor Zhivago" by Boris Pasternak
"Anna Karinina" by Leo Tolstoy
"Lorna Doone" by R.D. Blackmore
Also: "At the Going Down of the Sun"
by Elizabeth Darrell
92Sodapop
Gone with the Windsors by Laurie Graham is a highly entertaining, fictional account of the Edward and Mrs Simpson affair.
93atimco
#89: I read Rupert of Hentzau a few days after finishing The Prisoner of Zenda and enjoyed it (but not quite as much). I have a review up if you care to read it :-)
Oh, and I am currently reading Lorna Doone and loving it despite the wordiness of the narrator. At least it's humorously sarcastic and self-deprecating wordiness.
Oh, and I am currently reading Lorna Doone and loving it despite the wordiness of the narrator. At least it's humorously sarcastic and self-deprecating wordiness.
94Taiji
To message #20
I liked what you had to say about the "Reflections in the Nile" book and tried to get through Amazon.com/Amazon.ca and Barnes and Noble. Only used copies available and can be pricey. Do you know where I could get a new copy of this book?
Thanks
I liked what you had to say about the "Reflections in the Nile" book and tried to get through Amazon.com/Amazon.ca and Barnes and Noble. Only used copies available and can be pricey. Do you know where I could get a new copy of this book?
Thanks
95Taiji
To message #20. Forget the previous post #94. I did not read all of your comments before posting. Only later did I read your comment that it was "very light and fluffy". This would not appeal to me in the least then.
I was looking for a more serious treatment of the subject matter.
I was looking for a more serious treatment of the subject matter.
96allanjackson
Some of you might like to try Conceit by Mary Novik. http://www.librarything.com/work/book/33909475 It won a big book prize earlier this year.
It is about the romance between John Donne and Ann More (in 17th-century England), and the fabulous love poems he wrote to her. There are several other love relationships in the novel, too. Lots of fun. The author has a website with a "backgrounds" area with info about the historical period, www.marynovik.com
It is about the romance between John Donne and Ann More (in 17th-century England), and the fabulous love poems he wrote to her. There are several other love relationships in the novel, too. Lots of fun. The author has a website with a "backgrounds" area with info about the historical period, www.marynovik.com
97carmina
Can i say that Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon is the best series ever!....that's all:)
98keywestnan
Others have mentioned Tracy Chevalier and I especially liked The Lady and the Unicorn -- her most recent book, Burning Bright was also great. Historian Alison Weir has recently turned to fiction; I liked her book about Lady Jane Grey very much, too -- couldn't get into the most recent one, The Lady Elizabeth even though I'm a major major Tudor fan, but that could be just me, it's gotten good reviews elsewhere from good sources like Laura Miller at Salon. Sarah Dunant's stuff is great, too.
I'm glad to see Georgette Heyer is still popular -- my mom and grandmother used to read her books so they were always in the house when I was a kid and I read a lot of them and liked them a lot.
I'm glad to see Georgette Heyer is still popular -- my mom and grandmother used to read her books so they were always in the house when I was a kid and I read a lot of them and liked them a lot.
99karenmarie
I have recently read two ARCs that I would consider historical fiction with a romantic storyline - I think they've been released but am not sure.
Stealing Athena by Karen Essex - about Mary Nisbet, Lady Elgin (wife of Lord Elgin of Elgin Marbles fame) and Aspasia, concubine to Pericles of Parthenon fame. Fictionalized story of parts of their lives that I really enjoyed reading.
Midwife of the Blue Ridge by Christine Blevins - the title is a bit off-putting, but it's the story of a Scots indentured servant in the 1760s in the colonies. I just adored it for it's historical detail and sticking true to the feeling of the time.
Stealing Athena by Karen Essex - about Mary Nisbet, Lady Elgin (wife of Lord Elgin of Elgin Marbles fame) and Aspasia, concubine to Pericles of Parthenon fame. Fictionalized story of parts of their lives that I really enjoyed reading.
Midwife of the Blue Ridge by Christine Blevins - the title is a bit off-putting, but it's the story of a Scots indentured servant in the 1760s in the colonies. I just adored it for it's historical detail and sticking true to the feeling of the time.
100hwalter
I agree with allanjackson (above) about Conceit by Mary Novik. It is an excellent read, quite a bit more literary, with a lot more going on, than Girl with a Pearl Earring by Tracy Chevalier, though they have been compared. It has also been likened to A.S. Byatt's Possession and that seems more accurate. Sandra Gulland recently wrote a glowing review of Conceit on Amazon and given Gulland's own reputation, that says a lot for Novik's book.
101beckylynn
I'm new to the group but I still have to put in my two cents worth.....I fell in love with Enemy Women, the format of it will probably drive you nuts but the storyline is well worth it. It's the reason why I joined this group. I've collected a few more that are in my tbr pile, A Northern Light, and Widow of the South. Have any of you guys heard anything good or bad about either one? I love the Civil War Era, so any recommendations on that time period would be most welcomed...
102FAMeulstee
I can recommend A Northern Light, I read it in August and liked it very much, gave it 5 stars.
103robbieg_422
I really liked Silent in the Grave and Silent in the Sanctuary by Deanna Raybourne. I am not a fan of romance novels (bodice rippers...), but these focus more on the mystery, and the subtle romance is more of a subplot. Vicorian-era England mysteries--these were written so well, I stayed up until 2am to finish. Silent in the Santuary is the sequil to Silent in the Grave, but I read it first and liked it best of the two.
104Kasthu
Ditto on the Silent in the Grave/ Silent in the Sanctuary. I love Deanna Raybourn's novels. By the way, did you know that she has a third book coming out next year? It's called Silent on the Moor. And Raybourn is apparently working on a fourth novel, but that one won't be about Lady Julia and Nicholas Brisbane.
105Dasia
I recommend Shield of Three Lions by Pamela Kaufman if you like to read about the Middle Ages. A little unusual, but entertaining and interesting. There's romance but it's certainly not a bodice-ripper.
106robbieg_422
#104~~
Yes, I have heard; and am waiting for: Silent on the Moor! I hadn't heard, though, that that would be the last Lady Julia and Nicholas Brisbane--that's horrible! I protest!
I also heard that the cover won't be the beautiful richly colored 'signature' cover of the other two, but rather it will look much more 'romancy', which, I think, draws away from the 'mystery' plot altogether. I hope they scratch that idea before printing.
(edited because I always have an afterthought:))
Yes, I have heard; and am waiting for: Silent on the Moor! I hadn't heard, though, that that would be the last Lady Julia and Nicholas Brisbane--that's horrible! I protest!
I also heard that the cover won't be the beautiful richly colored 'signature' cover of the other two, but rather it will look much more 'romancy', which, I think, draws away from the 'mystery' plot altogether. I hope they scratch that idea before printing.
(edited because I always have an afterthought:))
107atimco
robbieg_422, I've put those Raybourn books on my wishlist. They sound great! Thanks for the rec :-)
108beckylynn
You guys are awesome, I knew that I stayed with LT for a reason. My little list has grown so much. Now off to the used book store to scour the shelves...
109Kasthu
106: According to Deanna Raybourn, her books were originally intended to fall into the "romance" category in bookstores, but something changed along the way. I've seen the new covers for the reprints of Grave and Santuary, and I agree, they're not as good as the old. She also intended to set the books in the Regency period, but something didn't feel right, so she went and changed the setting to Victorian. I don't think that Silent on the Moor will be the last Julia and Nicholas--I've heard that Raybourn wanted to change tack for a while. The book she's currently writing is supposedly more gothic in tone, and it's about lepidopterists.
110robbieg_422
Wisewoman--Glad to be of help!
beckylynn--I know what you mean; my list is huge just from this group alone:)
Kasthu--I'm glad she changed the setting; I can't imagine them being anythink but Victorian. Also glad to hear Lady Julia and Brisbane won't be 'fading off into the mist' of the Moor. I will, though, give Raybourn's sidetrack a look-see, since I like her writing.
beckylynn--I know what you mean; my list is huge just from this group alone:)
Kasthu--I'm glad she changed the setting; I can't imagine them being anythink but Victorian. Also glad to hear Lady Julia and Brisbane won't be 'fading off into the mist' of the Moor. I will, though, give Raybourn's sidetrack a look-see, since I like her writing.
111momgee
One historical with a romance or two or three in it that I recently finished is The Gates of trevalyan
absolutely incredibly written book set during the Civil War. I reviewed it on my blog if you are interested.
http://www.kayespenguinposts.blogspot.com
absolutely incredibly written book set during the Civil War. I reviewed it on my blog if you are interested.
http://www.kayespenguinposts.blogspot.com
112ekirkham24
You should try "In My Father's House" by Ann Rinaldi. It is about a girl who falls in love with a soldier who is going out to fight in the Civil War.
113robbieg_422
Momgee, I just rec'd my early reviewer's copy of The Gates of Trevalyan yesterday! I will wait until I've read and reviewed it before I read yours:)
114folkthepolice
One of the best books I read is Pope Joan by Donna Woolfolk Cross. It is based on the myth/rumor/hidden true story (depending on your perceptions) about a woman who was Pope in the 850s.
115spfeiffer
I recommend Jack Whyte's very well-written "Camulod Chronicles" series (8 books) about the shaping of Britain from the days of Roman occupation through the mythological reign of Arthur. These novels, starting in 410 AD with The Skystone, encompass the fictional lives of Arthur ancestors (including quite a bit of romance) told against a backdrop of truly interesting military and anthropological – but never boring – history, that is accurate and deeply layered throughout the novels. The Arthurian legend is presented as if it were history also, woven throughout the stories without the magic and mysticism – a feat well-executed by the author. I revel in a well-told historical novel, without too much sicky-sweet romance, and found these captivating.
And, if on another day, you find yourself wanting a little more swash-buckling and bodice-ripping, but still well-researched and decently written historical fiction, as I sometimes do, I also recommend the Sharpe series by Bernard Cornwell. This series of 21 novels and short stories (not to mention 15 BBC TV movies starring Sean Bean) follow Richard Sharpe, through the Napoleonic wars in Portugal, Spain and France in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. The stories encompass his life, loves and battles – quite entertaining and colorful.
Oh, and Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series novels – the closest I shall ever get to reading "romance novels" – don't miss them! They are truly wonderful.
And, if on another day, you find yourself wanting a little more swash-buckling and bodice-ripping, but still well-researched and decently written historical fiction, as I sometimes do, I also recommend the Sharpe series by Bernard Cornwell. This series of 21 novels and short stories (not to mention 15 BBC TV movies starring Sean Bean) follow Richard Sharpe, through the Napoleonic wars in Portugal, Spain and France in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. The stories encompass his life, loves and battles – quite entertaining and colorful.
Oh, and Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series novels – the closest I shall ever get to reading "romance novels" – don't miss them! They are truly wonderful.
116keywestnan
I can also heartily recommend a new book, Blindspot by Jane Kamensky and Jill Lepore -- the two authors are history professors and best friends and this is their first foray into fiction; it's a bit of a sendup of an 18th century novel, but a tribute, too, and it deals with some serious issues, like slavery. Despite all that, it is often very funny ... and a romance is at the heart, complete with some classic romantic setups (the heroine disguises herself as a boy to become an apprentice to the hero, a portrait painter). I was dubious about the premise and about the idea of two historians writing a novel together, but I think they pulled it off wonderfully.
118Iudita
I just finished "The Winter Sea" by Suzanne Kearsley. It has a romantic element and a unique approach to writing historical fiction.
119homeschoolmom
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Widow of the South was fantastic. Although, the romantic story line is fictional, the rest of the story is based upon a real woman. The sores is fantastic and I really enjoyed it. I found myself doing a lot of research afterwards learning more about the subject.
Widow of the South was fantastic. Although, the romantic story line is fictional, the rest of the story is based upon a real woman. The sores is fantastic and I really enjoyed it. I found myself doing a lot of research afterwards learning more about the subject.
120gwernin
Hi, haven't read all the posts here, but I would recommend The Course of Honour by Lindsey Davis. Unlike her Falco books (which I like too) this one is purely about the (real historical) romance between the Emperor-to-be Vespasian and the slave Caenis.
121TNGEO 
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Many consider Lawrence Schoonover's books romances. They are methodically researched, but always have a romantic side to them. The Schoonover Collection: Queen's Cross deals with Isabella of Castile and her roving husband Ferdinand of Aragon. It was a marriage of diplomacy, but she continued to give him children when she wasn't off fighting the Moors.
Another by him is The Schoonover Collection: Gentle Infidel. A young Janissary falls in love (or lust) with an Egyptian gold digger who has a fling with the young warrior in Turkey just before the conquest of Constantinople. She dumps him for her rich ex-husband, and the man rejoins the army in time to invade Byzantium and find a Venetian girl there, his childhood sweetheart.
Read more about them on Amazon.
Another by him is The Schoonover Collection: Gentle Infidel. A young Janissary falls in love (or lust) with an Egyptian gold digger who has a fling with the young warrior in Turkey just before the conquest of Constantinople. She dumps him for her rich ex-husband, and the man rejoins the army in time to invade Byzantium and find a Venetian girl there, his childhood sweetheart.
Read more about them on Amazon.
122CarolynSchroeder
I'm not sure how far back you want to go, but I recently picked up an ARC copy of a book I had never heard of (at a charity used book sale) ... Letters from an Age of Reason by Nora Hague ... it is a Civil War era book about a love relationship between the wealthy daughter of a prominant New York family and a "yellow" slave from New Orleans (who can and does pass for white). So far it's awesome. It is easy reading, fun, witty and the characters are great. It's just very entertaining so far. There is a lot more going on than just the love story, the time being considered. It's a big one @ 648 pages.
123roseysweetpea
I must also highly recomend the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon. It was the series that got me into reading historical fiction. Also on the lighter side Lauren Willig's Pink Carnation series is awsome although it takes place in the past and present and has no historical accuracy (don't know if that is a requirement).
124lewweinstein
I just finished The Birth of Venus by Sarah Dunant. A beautiful story set in and near Florence from 1492 into the early 1500s, follows the life of a young girl of extraordinary talent and courage.
125celiacardun
I'm looking for historical fiction with a romantic storyline set in the 16th century, preferably focusing on the lower classes like farmers. Does anybody know of anything? I have already discovered the books about the Boleyn girls, but they are focusing on the higher classes, so if anyone has an idea, it is greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Thanks!
126ddelmoni
I know this topic has been around for a long time and I hope Kathleen Woodwiess didn't make the touchstones because something went wrong. I simply can't believe no one recommended The Flame and the Flower, The Wolf and The Dove or all her other novels!
#125 most of her early work (that I read way back when they were new -- 1970's) are set in the medieval and 17th century periods, though you may want to look at her later novels for 16th century settings. Hope it helps.
#125 most of her early work (that I read way back when they were new -- 1970's) are set in the medieval and 17th century periods, though you may want to look at her later novels for 16th century settings. Hope it helps.
128celiacardun
Thanks Ddelmoni - for now I bought one of the Boleyn books for my sister in law (who is the one fascinated by that period), let's see how she likes it!
129William100
I believe that a very clear distinction can be made between historical fiction and historical romances. Toward that end, you might like to take a peek at my blog at http://wklein722.blogspot.com
130grnpickle
hugh and Bess is one of my favorites.
131rachelvlcek
I have started reading books by Michelle Moran. She has written two surrounding ancient egypt, Nefertiti and The Heretic Queen. The last one is called Cleopatra's Daughter, and that one ties into ancient Rome. All three are exciting and have a romantic theme to them.
132jamamb80
I highly recommend "Moon Dance" by Susan K. Earl. It was recently released, and my book club and I can't put it down! It is a romantic storyline tied in with the depression era setting without any bodice ripping events ;)
1331908rose
just finished it- "moon dance" was a read I couldn't put down. You really bond with the characters and want to keep reading to find out what will happen next. Flows smoothly throughout and I didn't want it to end.
134renoirfan
Hard to find, but I still enjoy Phyllis Whitney's novels. I also like Janette Oke (pioneer romance) and Susan K. Earl (depression era romance).
135Catgwinn
Another suggestion: "A Town Like Alice" by Nevil Shute which begins in WWII Malaya, moves to post war England and ends in the Australian 0ut-back.
136Anley
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Genre: FICTIONAL AUTOBIOGRAPHY
Title: A CARNIVAL OF LIES
Author: VERNON L. ANLEY
I’m going to put it right out there: this book about Nazi atrocities should be required reading for everyone. Period. Frankly, it’s just that good, that informative, and mines some previously untapped sources to reveal facts that will shock, mesmerize, and overwhelm you — no matter how much you think you know about the Holocaust. In order to receive my highest rating of HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, a book must be truly outstanding — heads and shoulders above the others I’ve reviewed. This book easily falls into that category. Not only is it meticulously researched, but poignantly well written, a real heart-rending page-turner. The author, by choosing to write it autobiographically in the first person, puts us right there in the death camps, even though he admits that a person “can describe what they saw but cannot CONVEY the experience.” Well, that might be the usual case, but this author comes awfully close and certainly did a hell of a job eliciting my emotions.
Our protagonist’s WW II assignment: to go undercover in National Socialist Germany in order to ferret out where they relocated their factories in order to avoid Allied bombing. Arrested for having a Jewish girlfriend, he’s then propelled on a nightmare journey from Dachau to Auschwicz, even as the love of his life is caught up in the system. I cannot begin to summarize the author’s brilliantly written account of those horrendous years in the death camps. With chilling descriptions, the narrative reveals atrocities worse than any I’ve ever heard. As the author so aptly puts it: “In five years, Auschwicz metamorphosed from a locus of terror into a universe of horror.” Nonetheless, like SCHINDLER’S LIST, it’s counterpart, A CARNIVAL OF LIES ends up on a high note of unparalleled courage along with a profound statement on the power of love to endure. In all honesty, the only thing I could take issue with in this novel was the title choice. To me, A CARNIVAL OF LIES seems a little light. I think the book would’ve been better served using the author’s own words, “Despotism of Darkness”, for a title. But that’s just me.
The book jacket tells us that the author, Dr. Vernon L. Anley, was educated in Australia and England and has traveled the world. He’s an expert on such things as linguistics and travel and his visits to Hitler’s death camps in Germany, Poland, and Austria tells me that’s where he was able to employ such meticulous research involved in order to produce such a compelling novel. My advice? Pick up a copy of this book right away. You won’t be sorry
Highly Recommended, reviewer: Jan Evan Whitford, Allbooks Reviews, 22 October 2010
Published by: OakTara Publishers ©2010
ISBN: 978-1-60290-228-2
Trade paperback, 226 pages
Oct. 2010
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137atimco
It's not okay to promote your own book like this, Mr. Anley. Please see http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
138Catgwinn
I just finished "Letters From and Age of Reason" by Nora Hague...very interesting novel of the late Victorian era in Britian & the US including details of some the problems resulting from the US Civil War). Some romance & discussions of the Victorian Age ideas about love & marriage is woven through the stories. In spite of it's length, it's a quick read.
139slebourg
I realize that this is an old blog, but I'd like to pick up the tread. I just finished Kristen Lavransdatter, which is set in medieval Norway . It has a wonderful, although not a happy ever after, love story.
141rongeigle
This isn't an "official" historical fiction novel, I guess, but I recommend Possession by A.S. Byatt.
142dajashby
#141
I agree that Possession is a hybrid, but I think it fits.
I would recommend King Hereafter by Dorothy Dunnett, which a friend of mine once described as a "tragical romance". It's not an easy read, I put it down for a break halfway through so I could digest what was going on. However, the central love story of Thorfinn and Groa (who Dunnett postulates were the historical Macbeth and his wife) is quite compelling.
I agree that Possession is a hybrid, but I think it fits.
I would recommend King Hereafter by Dorothy Dunnett, which a friend of mine once described as a "tragical romance". It's not an easy read, I put it down for a break halfway through so I could digest what was going on. However, the central love story of Thorfinn and Groa (who Dunnett postulates were the historical Macbeth and his wife) is quite compelling.
143rongeigle
I have no doubt that it is illegal and perhaps even immoral to do this, but since this is a pretty old thread, I will take the chance. Somewhile back I wrote a novel set at the end of the Great Depression in the Pacific Northwest called The Woods. It focuses on the labor battles of the time, especially the break between two major unions. But I set a romantic story in the midst of it that I think was pretty good -- involving two people in their 40's.
144slebourg
Here are two more: "Flowers from the Storm" and "The Shadow and the Star", by Laura Kinsale. They are two of the best-written, most beautiful romances I have ever read. Yes, they do have some sex, but it is well-written and part of the plot, not at all gratuitous. I think they heart-shatteringly romantic.
145Candl
The Outsider by Penelope Williamson is a very-well written novel about the wide range of the characters that settled the American West. Then there is Carla Kelly who writes wonderful Regency-era military history with romance thrown in. Don't forget the classics like Pamela, Moll Flanders and Jane Eyre.
146andrewsp
I loved Jalendu which (as far as I know) is very well researched historical fiction set in 16th C. India and has an strong and complex story line but which also includes a very great love story. The lovers are both young men though. There is some sex in it and I though a little too graphic, but it does play a part in the story.
148alikasem1
As Maryam's Tree Stood Witness is a Romantic Historical Novel written by Author Ali Kasem.
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https://maryamstree.co
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085HFDFPZ
149gmathis
Check out authors Brock and Bodie Thoene, a very prolific writing team. I've just started their Zion Covenant series; Vienna Prelude is full of star-crossed lover moments.
