Catholic Parishes of the 21st Century
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There is a review of CATHOLIC PARISHES OF THE 21ST CENTURY by Charles E. Zech, Mary L. Gautier, Mark M. Gray, Jonathon L. Wiggins and Thomas P. Gaunt, SJ, Oxford University Press (there doesn't appear to be an LT touchstone for it yet) here. Very interesting, and it seems to be very optimistic.
It brings to my mind a few books published long ago. Although it is very US-centric, it seems to me in some ways loosely to follow-on from them.
The Dilemma of Priestless Sundays by James Dallen (who was one of my professors when I did my MA)
What ever happened to Vatican II? by Michael M. Winter (I seem to recall also meeting him once in the dim and distant past)
The coming of the third church : an analysis of the present and future of the church by Walbert Buhlmann
I'm trying to conceive a relationship between Jn 12:31, Jn 14:30, Jn 16: 8f, and a couple others.
Could you forgive one more off-topic? In my search for exegetics, I found an incomplete reference to the Ratzinger book on the Magesterium's relation with exegetics. When I tried to add it to my wishlist, it failed to enter (perhaps because there wasn't enough info). But I would be very grateful for anyone who could explain here how to add add books that I own but can't find in an LT directory.
Sorry to hear you've been under the weather. I'm afraid I don't remember recommending an exegetical website. Maybe it was someone else, or maybe it is just my failing memory.
Forgive me for going off-topic
On LT, going off topic doesn't require any forgiveness - it is the norm!
I admit I've only had time to go back to it a few times, but it seems very interesting, and when I'm struggling to understand a scripture passage, at the very least it comforts me that I made an effort to improve my understanding.
I've commented several times in other places that I've made a deck of cards for many of Jesus' teachings, from which I review a selection every day. During Lent and Advent I select the most difficult (for me), and try to find relevant commentaries or exegetics. I enjoy this, but it is incredibly time-consuming.
I'm very curious if you have used Haydock and would comment, and perhaps suggest other sources.
Teach Me How to Pray, by Mary Dixon Thayer I have hardcover edition almost in collector condition (1984 edition), although the original copyright was 1926 as The Child on His Knees.
Pray Without Ceasing: The Jesus Prayer, by Brice Ingelsby, CP,
copyright 1965 by Marian Father, Stockbridge, MA
Can I somehow enter them directly?
I sorry to admit I'm impatient, and I have about 3k books I hope to catalogue.
At the bottom of the "Add books" page there is a link called "Add manually". Just click on that and it opens a page where you can fill in all the details manually, with or without ISBN.
I have a lot of books, both Africana and railways, which don't have an ISBN and which don't appear in most of the catalogues, so I am very familiar with the "Add manually" page!
>1 John5918:, I've had so many reactions to, and so much interest in your comments, I don't know where to start:
I was disappointed to find that I don't seem to have any of the the books you mentioned--most interesting might have been 21st century parishes, but the Georgetown center for Applied Research (where the authors work) distracted me. More on that later, soon, somewhere--have you looked into that?
Because this group is established on interest in Apologetics, I'm most interested in encouraging discussion and reviews here on related books and topics, but your amazingly thought provoking post certainly deserves a detailed reply.
My first instinct about books claiming to predict the future is to beware of arrogance, deceit, and foolishness. Way in the back of my library may be a version of Buhlmann--The Coming Catholic Church (by Gibson) which I found appalling at first review, although the cover says he's a "commited" lay Catholic and reporter (for CNN??xx) It makes me long for an Index group here at LT where he could be criticized roundly.
On Vatican II, perhaps my closest version is MacEoin's What Happened at Rome? Another Index candidate--a gift from a friend. Thankfully I also have Sources of Renewal by St John Paul II (The Implementation of Vat II).
I'd be happy to discuss any of these, but hopefully in Book Discussion, or Book Talk, or some other related group. I keep imagining a new Group for recommendations for Catholic Libraries. But that's on my list after an exegetes wannabes group.
I pray you will keep motivating me.
I couldn't find an author picture.
I see only one copy of the book in your collections.
Thanks for your encouragement; I found the duplicate entry in my list and deleted it.
Honorifics and titles should not be shown in the author name line. The system has difficulties with them.
The comma controls how the name displays.
But I'm still struggling with both, and appreciate your suggestions and encouragement. As far as 21st Cent is concerned, I'm still distracted by CARA at Georgetown, and my deep-seated concern for most pollsters and the bias that seems so often to creep into their publications.
So the top line when I printed Robert's Review of 21st Century didn't exactly warm my heart: Social scientists connect the dots of the Catholic Future. Yeah, sure, I'll bet they do.
The vain quest for knowledge of the future stems from desire for power, and has always lured many. The few right guesses are consistently overwhelmed by reality.
Roberts says the book is taking "the ideological heat out of discussions" about how do we return to the Church we loved, and whom (or what) do we blame for its diminishment?
Roberts asks if the Church will confront the future by continuing "lurching from crisis to crisis."
He says the book contains "the basic score we all have to master before any improvising."
Roberts is arrogant.
Remember how the Durants told us in Lessons of History that in 2000 the Catholic Church would be the dominant force in US government (p26)?
Remember Jesus said: sufficient for a day is it's own evil (Mt 6:34).
I think we need to focus on the problem that the Church has soiled much of its practice and image of holiness, and its adoption of relativism in values is leading to internal and secular chaos.
While that may be true in some cases, I hardly think it is universal. There are many reasons for extrapolating future trends, one of which is to be ready for them if/when they happen. It's often useful to make projections.
I think we need to focus on the problem that the Church has soiled much of its practice and image of holiness, and its adoption of relativism in values is leading to internal and secular chaos
I agree wholeheartedly with the first half of that sentence, "that the Church has soiled much of its practice and image of holiness", but I don't agree that it has adopted "relativism" (that's a word bandied about by certain elements within the Church) nor that there is "internal and secular chaos".
Certainly adopted was an overstatement--but relativism is a great danger and it is intruding.
Having gotten all this off my chest, I intend to be much more positive responding to your post on Africa #2 (link in 17 above).
Have a good day.
Thanks, eschator. I also try to be positive, and my apologies when I stray off course. I suppose I'm naturally quite positive, but I would also say that my daily experience of Church is very positive and lifegiving, and I honestly don't recognise a lot of the negativity which I hear about the Church, at least not from where I stand. That's not to say the Church is perfect, and on evils such as chilld abuse we still have a huge burden to deal with, but again I like to look at the progress which is being made.
That link is subscription only. It has been republished free at http://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/04/06/global-catholic-popul... but without the interesting map, which can currently be found at http://www.canaafrica.org/images/global%20catholic%20population%20tops.jpg
Certainly I agree that scientific collection and analysis of important statistics is essential, and the formation and testing of hypotheses is often extremely beneficial.
I admit that universalism in almost every aspect I oppose and believe to be contrary to God's plan and His Will.
Have you read the Durant's Lessons of History? I'm almost finished reading it very carefully, even though I despise their early support of communism and lifelong socialism and universalism.
I hope the book can get some discussion in the group titled Lesson in History, and also hope you will come visit and advise.
Since 1969, the number of Catholics in the archdiocese had declined by 69 percent; the number of priests had fallen by roughly two-thirds.
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