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1s.abolfazl
Abr 30, 2014, 11:03pm

I’m a muslim and if possible I want know more than of catholic
If want portray religion and islam religion, I should say:
What meaning religion? Is it a belief? In Arabic language religion is the same path (path is a way especially designed for a particular use) religion aim is idealization of human and god is crater this path and prophet is leader in this path, all 124,000 prophets include Jesus and Moses (peace be upon them) and latest prophet is Muhammad (peace be upon him) are leaders in them time’s but today after Muhammad his book; Quran and imam (leader not prophet and without book) are leader.

2John5918
Maio 2, 2014, 11:41am

>1 s.abolfazl: It's hard to sum Catholicism up in a few words, but I think it would be fair to say it is also a path. We are on a journey, a pilgrim church. Like Islam, we see ourselves as a community. For us Jesus is not merely a prophet and leader but also a manifestation of the divine, and in that we differ from Islam. We recognise God as community/relationship (Trinity) while still One, which again is a different nuance than Islam. We are people of the Book, but we view our sacred scripture, the Bible, differently from how Muslims view the Holy Qur'an; we see it as the inspired Word of God but not as a literal dictation of God's words (although some other non-Catholic Christians do tend towards the latter view).

You don't say in your profile where you live. If you are in a country where there are Catholic churches and where it is safe for you to do so, I would suggest that you go and talk to the priest and the ordinary Catholics and get a sense of what they believe and how they live their lives.

3timspalding
Maio 2, 2014, 1:30pm

It's not essential, but I think there's a slight difference in nuance between din, translated as religion in English, and words that Christians would more readily use, like "faith." Of course, Christianity is a religion. But the use of term "faith" underlines two complementary ideas that are typically Christian--faith as "belief" and faith as "trust" in a relationship with the divine.

Feel free to ask follow-up questions, @s.abolfazi.

4s.abolfazl
Maio 2, 2014, 4:59pm

>2 John5918:
Appreciate you for help me. do you can explain to me what is trinity? I can’t accept Trinity, Because Qur’an say to all Christians:
4:171. O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! it is better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

5s.abolfazl
Maio 2, 2014, 5:00pm

>3 timspalding:
Thank you for help me. I agree faith(or iman) is= trust + belief and after than faith is word that pronounced ighan that is= trust + belief – doubt and islam is only=trust(or perhaps submit). In general frist of all 1)islam, next step 2)iman and ultimate step 3)ighan. Do you have in catholic these orders?

6John5918
Editado: Maio 3, 2014, 2:36am

>4 s.abolfazl: You have highlighted, as I did, that Trinity is one of the areas where Christians and Muslims differ. It is a difficult concept, particularly when one uses the word "person" which may have had a different meaning for theologians many centuries ago than it does in common usage today. As I said in 2> above, it is often interpreted now as showing that God is relationship; the very essence of the One God is community. When Catholics in Arabic-speaking countries make the sign of the cross ("In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit") we add the phrase "the one God" for emphasis.



Qur’an say to all Christians

With all due respect to the Holy Qur'an, it is the holy book of the Muslims, not of the Christians, so Christians are not bound to follow its teachings.

7s.abolfazl
Editado: Maio 3, 2014, 6:39am

>6 John5918:
thanks, we believe bible in the long history mutilated and this bible not original, but original bible is the holy book of all the muslims in particular in Qur'an seen 20 of number word torah(antiquity) and 12 of number word enjil(Christian bible). Qur'an say trinity not real, it is an imaginary and this topic don't have original bible. I myself often read bible and don't understand trinity. I think this is strange topic, but I like know more than.

8timspalding
Editado: Maio 3, 2014, 1:55pm

The Trinity is a difficult topic--both hard to explain and impossible to fully explain. It is what Christians call a "mystery." To truly understand it, one would have to be God, perhaps.

That said, the Quran says that "God has no partner" and "no peer, rival, partner or equal." Christians would certainly agree with that. Christians do not believe in three Gods. They do not believe that Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit--the other person of the trinity—is "another God." These verses of the Quran understand Christians to mean this, but it is not how Christians themselves understand their belief. Christians understand there to be one God "in three persons." "Person" here is a technical term, and means something very specific. Unfortunately, it sounds to a non-Christian like we believe in three Gods.

The Quran also says that God does not beget and is not begotten. This too is obviously a dig at Christian belief. Christians do indeed believe that Christ was begotten, but they understand him to be "eternally begotten," not begotten at some definite point in time. And "begotten" is used specifically to avoid the word "created." God did not create God, but exists in an essential father-son relationship. That is, God the Father and God the Son are eternally father and son. To go further, Christians understand this relationship to be a relationship of love. That is, God does not only tell us to love, with nobody to love but his creations. God is himself a relationship of love. In this, God is love.

Yeah, it's a difficult concept. It is the result of centuries of thinking about Jesus and his meaning. From the start Christians understood Jesus to be God. The New Testament makes the basics clear. But it took them a long time to figure out how to explain that. Frankly, most Christians do not have a deep understanding of the Trinity. Christians are called to love, forgiveness and a personal relationship with God. We are not called to become philosophers; that's optional…

9s.abolfazl
Editado: Maio 3, 2014, 3:41pm

>8 timspalding:
Appreciate you for beautiful portray. All humans divide in four section: 1)don’t have father and mother= just “Adam” 2) don’t have mother and have father(Adam)=just “Eve” 3) don’t have father and have mother (Mary)=just “Jesus” 4) have father and mother=we and other humans. We believe Jesus(peace be upon him) just an important prophet and contained these sections not more. Okay assume that all your discussion is true, what is fundamental result of trinity? What is usage trinity? And how influence your life? E.g. my prophet is my leader and is my pattern and is my direction in path.

10John5918
Maio 5, 2014, 10:08am

>9 s.abolfazl: What is usage trinity? And how influence your life?

First of all, I don't think God has to have a "usage" God simply is.

But to the extent that the concept of Trinity has a usage and influences my life, it is the concept that God is relationship, God is community, God is love within Godself. That tells me something about how I should live my life.

11s.abolfazl
Maio 5, 2014, 11:08pm

>10 John5918:
In general My god have 99 names, any name indicate usage of god
For example, The Light, The Guide to the Right Path, the merciful, the gracious: in the work, in the study and in the live, to successful even to failure need god, the creator: Perhaps study physic or chemistry but see god that create anything not just create in the big bang, god create time create space create all things and update this creations. The Unifier, The Supremely Exalted and so on. these 99 names help me recognize god and afterward usage in my life, them guide me how god influence in my life. clearly my question were this view in the god. is the trinity three name of god that help me recognize god? or no?
5:75. They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

12campusdan
Nov 11, 2014, 12:51pm

The Most Holy Trinity

Three Person's in One God

Three Prosopon (Greek term) in One Ouisa (Greek term)

Three Persons in One Substance

With this theology there is only One God NOT Three gods

The persons to do not take away from their oneness

These are philosophical terms that are used to demonstrate the reasonablity of the Catholic Faith.

It is ultimately a mystery but we still can know something about God as His is.

Faith and Reason must not contradict each other if they do then it demonstrates that a particular Religion is contradictory and therefore a false religion.

Unfortunately, in the world today there is a vast ignorance about the laws of reason and in some cases large forces in cultures that wish to destroy the use of reason and intellectual conversation.

This, in my opinion, is what is leading all cultures into a very dark time which is growing.

13John5918
Nov 13, 2014, 1:10pm

Interesting little article on the Trinity: TRINITY AS COMMUNIO (First Things)

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