Darby Kelly............

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Darby Kelly............

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1Novak
Dez 8, 2012, 6:26pm

We need some “Old London” info'. Cockney songs Any Old Iron and Boiled Beef and Carrots both mention Darby Kelly (CRS: Belly) However, who are we talking about here? Was there a Darby Kelly?

2abbottthomas
Editado: Dez 9, 2012, 5:57am

Even if Google pays no UK tax it remains useful! Darby Kelly appears to come from an Irish ballad from the early 19th. C. The song describes three generations of military drummers bearing the same name. Grandfather fought with the Duke of Marlborough and the grandson with Wellington in the Peninsular War while the father, in the way of the Irish, seems to have supported Wolfe Tone and the Republican cause in the 1798 rebellion.

The references to wrists and tricks with sticks suggest a degree of double entendre which may have helped to keep the song well known enough for the character to take his place in rhyming slang.

You can find more discussion, and the words here: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30123

3Novak
Dez 10, 2012, 8:44am

Hey abotthomas: Thanks for that. I can't believe I used Google to get to Wiki', who had no info at all. Big mistake. Lesson learned. Taxing experience.......(groan....)

4abbottthomas
Dez 10, 2012, 12:26pm

Not at all! I do appreciate the help that the internet gives to us snappers up of unconsidered trifles. I've known the boiled beef song since childhood and never given a thought to the origin of the rhyming slang. And, you never know, it might come up in a pub quiz ;-)

5Novak
Jan 12, 2013, 6:47am

The "bloke down the pub" had a good question to ask the nearest cockney....Me

Where does the expression He lost his bottle come from relating to losing courage?

6Booksloth
Jan 12, 2013, 7:05am

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bottle-out.html

(Of course, this doesn't go far in explaining why losing one's nether regions should be equated with chickening out but it's a start.)

7Novak
Jan 13, 2013, 4:38am

Hi Booky:

"Bottle and glass" (CRS) makes the most sense on that link.

It is certainly medically recorded that great fear can lead to accidents.. .. .. .. .. ..

8Novak
Editado: Jan 13, 2013, 4:58am

A friend in NYC has just pointed out that in NYC "grass" will not rhyme with "arse".

In London, Ben, the cockneys would rhyme "Apples" with "Quantum physics". It's just a gift they're borne with....Sorry, I mean Wiv......