1LesMiserables
823 English fiction
What does this mean? Does it mean that this is fiction written in English, or by English authors?
I have read this book http://www.librarything.com/work/926558/49041900 Poor Fellow My Country by Xavier Herbert.
This is an Australian author writing a fictitious book about Australia. It has automatically been given Dewey 833 on LT.
I imagine that it means written the in English language?
What does this mean? Does it mean that this is fiction written in English, or by English authors?
I have read this book http://www.librarything.com/work/926558/49041900 Poor Fellow My Country by Xavier Herbert.
This is an Australian author writing a fictitious book about Australia. It has automatically been given Dewey 833 on LT.
I imagine that it means written the in English language?
2AnnaClaire
Actually, it appears to be more for "English" as in "British".
Take a look at the tag @ 823. It's got a lot of Jane Austen in the books most tagged thus. British features prominently in the list of similar tags, British literature a little less so.
Now, take a look at the tag @ 813. Like @ 823, these books were written in English, but there's not an Austen work in sight. The books here were written by authors such as Margaret Atwood, Edith Wharton and Stephen King -- either Americans or Canadians. The related tags include American, American literature and African American (though, strangely, neither Canadian nor Canadian literature appears on the list).
That said, they do share a slot in the LC classification (see the tag @ PR).
Take a look at the tag @ 823. It's got a lot of Jane Austen in the books most tagged thus. British features prominently in the list of similar tags, British literature a little less so.
Now, take a look at the tag @ 813. Like @ 823, these books were written in English, but there's not an Austen work in sight. The books here were written by authors such as Margaret Atwood, Edith Wharton and Stephen King -- either Americans or Canadians. The related tags include American, American literature and African American (though, strangely, neither Canadian nor Canadian literature appears on the list).
That said, they do share a slot in the LC classification (see the tag @ PR).
3LesMiserables
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It is strange. I noticed that LT tagged my Tolstoy War and Peace as 813 too! (I have changed it now)
It is strange. I noticed that LT tagged my Tolstoy War and Peace as 813 too! (I have changed it now)
4AnnaClaire
>3 LesMiserables: I'd say it's a typo. Novels are usually 8_3, with the blank being a locational thing. 843 is French (The Three Musketeers), 853 is Italian (The Name of the Rose), and 863 is Spanish (Don Quixote).
5fdholt
#1 And the 8X3 also stands for criticism about the works as well as biographies of those authors.
6fundevogel
I can follow that America and Canada share the 81x's since we're the North American English speakers, but it's a bit of a rub Australia doesn't have a proper place. I mean, they are their own continent.
But it does clear up why Nick Cave's books are 823. Though the reason I was thrown in the first place was that he's an Australian than lives in the UK, and I still don't know how ex-pat writers are categorized by Dewey. In their original home or the one they settle in? Does it switch depending on where they were when they wrote the book?
But it does clear up why Nick Cave's books are 823. Though the reason I was thrown in the first place was that he's an Australian than lives in the UK, and I still don't know how ex-pat writers are categorized by Dewey. In their original home or the one they settle in? Does it switch depending on where they were when they wrote the book?
7lorax
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it's a bit of a rub Australia doesn't have a proper place. I mean, they are their own continent.
It's because, other than the America-centrism that separates out American and Canadian literature into the 813s, literature in the Dewey system is classified by language, not geography. Anyone writing in English who isn't from the US and Canada, whether they're from the UK, Australia, or Africa, is in the 823s.
it's a bit of a rub Australia doesn't have a proper place. I mean, they are their own continent.
It's because, other than the America-centrism that separates out American and Canadian literature into the 813s, literature in the Dewey system is classified by language, not geography. Anyone writing in English who isn't from the US and Canada, whether they're from the UK, Australia, or Africa, is in the 823s.
8fundevogel
7> So what about authors from from countries whose primary language isn't English but they write in English? There's Salman Rushdie and Chinua Achebe for instance.
9lorax
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So what about authors from from countries whose primary language isn't English but they write in English? There's Salman Rushdie and Chinua Achebe for instance.
The country they're in or from makes no difference (with the weird exception of the 813s), only the language they're writing in; Rushdie and Achebe are in 823, and someone from the US writing in Spanish would be in 863. That's what I was trying to say in #7 but clearly I didn't do a very good job of explaining it.
So what about authors from from countries whose primary language isn't English but they write in English? There's Salman Rushdie and Chinua Achebe for instance.
The country they're in or from makes no difference (with the weird exception of the 813s), only the language they're writing in; Rushdie and Achebe are in 823, and someone from the US writing in Spanish would be in 863. That's what I was trying to say in #7 but clearly I didn't do a very good job of explaining it.
10HRHTish
I'm reviving this thread because I'm troubled over my Canadian literature. Some of it seems to show in American lit, some in English lit. Where do Canadian authors properly belong? I want to fix everything so that it's right. Advice?
11HRHTish
http://ddc.typepad.com/025431/2008/08/literary-period.html
I did find this, but . . . I don't know if was the evening cocktails, but I can't make heads or tails of it. It's a blog for all things Dewey, but the article speaks to what the Library of Congress is doing with Canadian lit. The impression I get is that Canadian literature is though of as "North American" now, and classified same as American. Did I read that correctly?
I did find this, but . . . I don't know if was the evening cocktails, but I can't make heads or tails of it. It's a blog for all things Dewey, but the article speaks to what the Library of Congress is doing with Canadian lit. The impression I get is that Canadian literature is though of as "North American" now, and classified same as American. Did I read that correctly?
12Robloz
I was wanting to ask this same question about this book.
The spinster and the prophet by A B MacKillop.
A Canadian based story about a NON fiction work - HG Wells The Outline of History
DDC 823 says English Fiction.
I was thinking that fits more closer to 807 - Education, Research and Related Topics.
Because this book (Spinster/Prophet) tells the story of the legal court case over who was the author of this NON fiction work of art.
It was NOT literature, poetry, drama, essays, fiction, speeches or letters.
Any thoughts on this??
The spinster and the prophet by A B MacKillop.
A Canadian based story about a NON fiction work - HG Wells The Outline of History
DDC 823 says English Fiction.
I was thinking that fits more closer to 807 - Education, Research and Related Topics.
Because this book (Spinster/Prophet) tells the story of the legal court case over who was the author of this NON fiction work of art.
It was NOT literature, poetry, drama, essays, fiction, speeches or letters.
Any thoughts on this??
